[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

[Dale]

They only have right if others accept them, only the pt member can give them right to be in their group, so that's the same....I don't know what kind of point you're trying to make anymore.

And that's where you're wrong. A player's right to play their job as they wish is not based on rather you accept them or not. That is the point I'm trying to make.

If don't want to group with them fine. Don't group with them. But don't say things like that player shouldn't join any content other than role playing simply because you don't approve of them.

[Afania]

And that's where you're wrong. A player's right to play their job as they wish is not based on rather you accept them or not. That is the point I'm trying to make.

If don't want to group with them fine. Don't group with them. But don't say things like that player shouldn't join any content other than role playing simply because you don't approve of them.

Except this isn't just me? There are way more players that's not interested in clearing the content in 40 min instead of 20.

I also find it silly that you continue to say "Afania don't approve a shield WAR". When's the last time you see someone /shouting for a shield WAR?

Oh and btw, this is a MMORPG with group content, if you think ppl really have right to choose job out of their own free will, you're wrong. What job you can play in this game is mostly based on the other's approval, this applies to more than just shield WAR.

[Dale]

Oh and btw, this is a MMORPG with group content, if you think ppl really have right to choose job out of their own free will, you're wrong. What job you can play in this game is mostly based on the other's approval, this applies to more than just shield WAR.

I hope you do not really believe this. Because if you think what job I play on this game is based on your approval or anyone's else's for that matter you are more mistaken than even I thought.

And I refer to you as Afania because that is your name and who I am talking to you. You aren't some entity who speaks for the greater community. Me or none of my friends would have any problems playing with a shield warrior so long as they played well and worked as a team. Not everyone thinks as you do. And the majority opinion is often the silent one, so please don't try and use shouts in Jueno as some evidence that your opinions are somehow more important than mine.

[Afania]

I hope you do not really believe this. Because if you think what job I play on this game is based on your approval or anyone's else's for that matter you are more mistaken than even I thought.

And I refer to you as Afania because that is your name and who I am talking to you. You aren't some entity who speaks for the greater community. Me and none of my friends would have no problems playing with a shield warrior so long as they played well and worked as a team. Not everyone thinks as you do. And the majority opinion is often the silent one, so please don't try and use shouts in Jueno as some evidence that your opinions are somehow more important than mine.

Your ability to twist the meaning of my words is amazing. I said "other's approval", it means more than just ME.

Try to log on and join a pt on a shield WAR that's not made by Afania, do that for 1 month, see if PUG leaders start to /blist you.

I didn't say your opinion isn't important, I only point out that you're the minority.

Why I know it's minority? Cuz I know majority of the PUG leader/event leader on my server, afaik none of them would make a DD pt full of shield WAR.

If shield WAR is a high demand job in this game, I wouldn't even argue about this topic for 5 pages. I'd just say "Yes, shield war is amazing, we should just use a shield on a WAR" and end this discussion.

[Dale]

Your ability to twist the meaning of my words is amazing. I said "other's approval", it means more than just ME.

Try to log on and join a pt on a shield WAR that's not made by Afania, do that for 1 month, see if PUG leaders start to /blist you.

I didn't say your opinion isn't important, I only point out that you're the minority.

Why I know it's minority? Cuz I know majority of the PUG leader/event leader on my server, afaik none of them would make a DD pt full of shield WAR.

If shield WAR is a high demand job in this game, I wouldn't even argue about this topic for 5 pages. I'd just say "Yes, shield war is amazing, we should just use a shield on a WAR and end this discussion"

And your ability to twist my words is equally amazing because I said if you think what job I play on this game is based on your approval or anyone's else's for that matter you are more mistaken than even I thought.

And you don't have to say shield warriors are amazing. Simply not be annoyed by them or say they shouldn't join any content outside of role-playing and that would suffice.

[Afania]

And your ability to twist my words is equally amazing because I said if you think what job I play on this game is based on your approval or anyone's else's for that matter you are more mistaken than even I thought.

And you don't have to say shield warriors are amazing. Simply not be annoyed by them and that would suffice.

You can't change other's emotion nor POV toward the others though, it's too much to expect everyone else not to be annoyed by a shield WAR.

I agree that it's disrespectful to talk shit about others, but you can't control how you really think.

If I see a shield WAR, of course I'd have certain POV toward it that's not exactly positive, I may not say it in /p chat, but there's nothing we can do to change that.

This is just human nature, ppl tend to have opinion toward the others, sometimes it can be negative, the difference is whether they say it or not.

Also, since this game is a MMORPG, I don't agree with your opinion about jobs. Of course you can insist to play the job in certain way, you'd just have to make friends or tolerate less efficient run. Since the game punishes the player playing the job in certain way by making them spending more time killing stuff or making friends, players don't have free will to choose how they want to play in this game.

[Dale]

You can't change other's emotion nor POV toward the others though, it's too much to expect everyone else not to be annoyed by a shield WAR.

I agree that it's disrespectful to talk shit about others, but you can't control how you really think.

If I see a shield WAR, of course I'd have certain POV toward it that's not exactly positive, I may not say it in /p chat, but there's nothing we can do to change that.

This is just human nature, ppl tend to have opinion toward the others, sometimes it can be negative, the difference is whether they say it or not.

Also, since this game is a MMORPG, I don't agree with your opinion about jobs. Of course you can insist to play the job in certain way, you'd just have to make friends or tolerate less efficient run. Since the game punishes the player playing the job in certain way by making them spending more time killing stuff or making friends, players don't have free will to choose how they want to play in this game.

But it's not the game that punishes players for playing jobs in certain ways. Players like you do. I hate to be blunt about that, but it's just the truth. And players can simply ignore these types of players and play the game as they want. So yes, they do have free will - and can be successful in the process so long as they don't try anything absurd that goes against the intended game design.

So it's very possible to complete the content on this game using a variety of different jobs and play-styles. The fact some players can't tolerate a less efficient run and seek to exclude everyone but a select few based on this obsession to clear everything as fast as possible doesn't mean the game itself does. That's a very important distinction.