[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

[Afania]

No I'm not. I have said over and over again through-out this thread that if you don't want to play with a Warrior who uses a shield then I recognize and support your right not to. But I would never say to someone who doesn't play the way I think they should that they should never join any groups or do any content outside of role playing. That is just a ______ thing to say.

They shouldn't, unless they let everyone know that their WAR only use a shield and let the leader make the decision.

It's downright disrespectful to join a PUG without letting the leader know about shield WAR and role playing though.

It's pretty self centered to think "I wanna play as a shield WAR cuz I love role playing, so everyone else should tolerate my WAR even if I'm slowing down the entire pt"

[Dale]

They shouldn't, unless they let everyone know that their WAR only use a shield and let the leader make the decision.

It's downright disrespectful to join a PUG without letting the leader know about shield WAR and role playing though.

It's pretty self centered to think "I wanna play as a shield WAR cuz I love role playing, so everyone else should tolerate my WAR even if I'm slowing down the entire pt"

That's your opinion that a warrior who uses a shield is just role playing and slowing down the entire party. As I've said, I've played with some very good warriors who use a shield. So I just don't agree with you. And to claim a warrior is being self-centered for using a shield is one of the silliest things you've said yet. And that is saying something.

And I've said over and over and over again that a group leader doesn't have to play with a warrior who uses a shield if they do not want to. I don't know how many times I must say this before it sinks in. I am not advocating that anyone be forced to play with anyone else.

[Afania]

That's your opinion that a warrior who uses a shield is just role playing and slowing down the entire party. As I've said, I've played with some very good warriors who use a shield. So I just don't agree with you. And to claim a warrior is being self-centered for using a shield is one of the silliest things you've said yet. And that is saying something.

And I've said over and over and over again that a group leader doesn't have to play with a warrior who uses a shield if they do not want to. I don't know how many times I must say this before it sinks in. I am not advocating that anyone be forced to play with anyone else.

I didn't say "WAR is self centered for using a shield", I only said "WAR is self centered for using a shield AND demand everyone else to tolerate it". Stop putting words in my mouth.

Also, my "opinion" toward a shield WAR isn't "opinion" nor preference, I said that 100 times.

[Dale]

I didn't say "WAR is self centered for using a shield", I only said "WAR is self centered for using a shield AND demand everyone else to tolerate it". Stop putting words in my mouth.

Also, my "opinion" toward a shield WAR isn't "opinion" nor preference, I said that 100 times.

I'm not putting words in your mouth because you assume when a warrior uses a shield they are automatically a leech who is slowing down the party. So it amounts to the same thing. So I stand by what I said.

[Afania]

I'm not putting words in your mouth because you assume when a warrior uses a shield they are automatically a leech who is slowing down the party. So it amounts to the same thing. So I stand by what I said.

A shield WAR slows down pt, which is a fact, it's not just an opinion. Try to do an event with a GA WAR, then do it again with a shield WAR, see which one clear the content faster.

You can't tell the difference between a fact and opinion?

"You suck" or "I don't like you" is an opinion.

"Using a shield on WAR would clear content slower" is a fact.

[Dale]

A shield WAR slows down pt, which is a fact, it's not just an opinion. Try to do an event with a GA WAR, then do it again with a shield WAR, see which one clear the content faster.

You can't tell the difference between a fact and opinion?

"You suck" or "I don't like you" is an opinion.

"Using a shield on WAR would clear content slower" is a fact.

No it isn't a fact. It would depend on the circumstance. For example, my RDM and a WAR with a shield could certainly clear content faster than if I was just on my RDM. You act as if a warrior is a drag on a group under any circumstance just because he may use a shield. Which is just not the case.

You assume and compare all situations with the most ideal set ups to clear something the fastest and them dismiss anyone who doesn't fit into that dream scenario. And then for some reason you confuse this with fact.

[Afania]

No it isn't a fact. It would depend on the circumstance. For example, my RDM and a WAR with a shield could certainly clear content faster than if I was just on my RDM. You act as if a warrior is a drag on a group under any circumstance just because he may use a shield. Which is just not the case.

You assume and compare all situations with the most ideal set ups to clear something the fastest and them dismiss anyone who doesn't fit into that dream scenario. And then for some reason you confuse this with fact.

What I mean was, if you're duoing something with a RDM and a WAR, you will clear the content faster if the WAR use GA. If the WAR change to a shield, they you'd kill slower and clear the content slower.

How is it not a fact that WAR with a GA clear the content faster than a shield WAR?