[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

[Dale]

Oh and btw, idk exactly what's your opinion about shield WAR anymore.

Are you trying to argue that shield WAR is viable because of role playing reason? If yes then we have nothing to argue here, we both agree that role playing is a valid reason to use a shield WAR, and we both agree that role playing shouldn't be about math and what's better.

But they you said "I've seen good WAR tanks"(probably with a shield). So it's back to "what's better" argument again. Can you filter out the goal of your argument first?

If you want to argue "what setup is better for WAR tank", explain how shield WAR is a better tank than using other weapons.

If you don't want to argue about what's better due to role playing reason, then no point to continue.

Just because I've played with good warrior tanks doesn't mean I am saying they are better than other types of warriors. Not all of us are constantly trying to compare who is better than who like you are.

I recognize that warriors can be good playing in many different ways. I've played with good Great Axe warriors. I've played with good Sword and Board warriors. I could care less who is better. All I care about is if I'm having fun and winning - which I was in both cases.

[Afania]

Just because I've played with good warrior tanks doesn't mean I am saying they are better than other types of warriors. Not all of us are constantly trying to compare who is better than who like you are.

I recognize that warriors can be good playing in many different ways. I've played with good Great Axe warriors. I've played with good Sword and Board warriors. I could care less who is better. All I care about is if I'm having fun and winning - which I was in both cases.

You're trying to tell others how they can play the game by blaming the community for not accepting a shield WAR though. Which is the same thing.

It seems that you have a lofty goal to "change" the nature of MMO because you believe it's the community that shaped the MMO nowadays, unfortunately it's the other way around.

Players are just sheeps, they simply follow the goals set by the game designer.

If the game designer wants the player to use a shield WAR, just make shield WAR effective like a shield PLD. You'd see everyone and their mother /shouting for a shield WAR in town.

There's nothing you can do to change the community, unless you're the game designer. Shield WAR will always be considered ineffective even if you post 100 pages of stuff here, criticizing anyone with a different opinion.

[Dale]

You're trying to tell others how they can play the game by blaming the community for not accepting a shield WAR though. Which is the same thing.

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No I'm not. I have said over and over again through-out this thread that if you don't want to play with a Warrior who uses a shield then I recognize and support your right not to. But I would never say to someone who doesn't play the way I think they should that they should never join any groups or do any content outside of role playing. That is just a ______ thing to say.

[Afania]

No I'm not. I have said over and over again through-out this thread that if you don't want to play with a Warrior who uses a shield then I recognize and support your right not to. But I would never say to someone who doesn't play the way I think they should that they should never join any groups or do any content outside of role playing. That is just a ______ thing to say.

They shouldn't, unless they let everyone know that their WAR only use a shield and let the leader make the decision.

It's downright disrespectful to join a PUG without letting the leader know about shield WAR and role playing though.

It's pretty self centered to think "I wanna play as a shield WAR cuz I love role playing, so everyone else should tolerate my WAR even if I'm slowing down the entire pt"

[Dale]

They shouldn't, unless they let everyone know that their WAR only use a shield and let the leader make the decision.

It's downright disrespectful to join a PUG without letting the leader know about shield WAR and role playing though.

It's pretty self centered to think "I wanna play as a shield WAR cuz I love role playing, so everyone else should tolerate my WAR even if I'm slowing down the entire pt"

That's your opinion that a warrior who uses a shield is just role playing and slowing down the entire party. As I've said, I've played with some very good warriors who use a shield. So I just don't agree with you. And to claim a warrior is being self-centered for using a shield is one of the silliest things you've said yet. And that is saying something.

And I've said over and over and over again that a group leader doesn't have to play with a warrior who uses a shield if they do not want to. I don't know how many times I must say this before it sinks in. I am not advocating that anyone be forced to play with anyone else.

[Afania]

That's your opinion that a warrior who uses a shield is just role playing and slowing down the entire party. As I've said, I've played with some very good warriors who use a shield. So I just don't agree with you. And to claim a warrior is being self-centered for using a shield is one of the silliest things you've said yet. And that is saying something.

And I've said over and over and over again that a group leader doesn't have to play with a warrior who uses a shield if they do not want to. I don't know how many times I must say this before it sinks in. I am not advocating that anyone be forced to play with anyone else.

I didn't say "WAR is self centered for using a shield", I only said "WAR is self centered for using a shield AND demand everyone else to tolerate it". Stop putting words in my mouth.

Also, my "opinion" toward a shield WAR isn't "opinion" nor preference, I said that 100 times.

[Dale]

I didn't say "WAR is self centered for using a shield", I only said "WAR is self centered for using a shield AND demand everyone else to tolerate it". Stop putting words in my mouth.

Also, my "opinion" toward a shield WAR isn't "opinion" nor preference, I said that 100 times.

I'm not putting words in your mouth because you assume when a warrior uses a shield they are automatically a leech who is slowing down the party. So it amounts to the same thing. So I stand by what I said.