[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

[Malithar]

What do you expect? Potent def down that can be used with absolutely 0 penalty? That'd be totally broken/OP. May as well play the SAM or MNK if moar dmg is what you want.

Considering the amounts of -def Dia II/III (10%/15%, no penalty, unless you're going to say MP, then I'd say stfu), Angon (25%, 60% up keep JA, costs 500 gil or whatever for an Angon), and Geo-Frailty (41%, high MP cost, 1 of 2 bubbles able to be kept up) provide, I'd agree that using up to 10 (but as low as 7) steps to cap the defense reduction at...what was it, -23%, is a pretty extreme cost. Not to say it'd never be worth it, but it's still a lot of work compared to what other -def abilities provide, and while you do gain finishing moves, it's still costing you TP as well.

Edit: Frailty obviously with Idris, I don't keep track of non-Idris numbers anymore, so sub in whatever that is.

[Glamdring]

Considering the amounts of -def Dia II/III (10%/15%, no penalty, unless you're going to say MP, then I'd say stfu), Angon (25%, 60% up keep JA, costs 500 gil or whatever for an Angon), and Geo-Frailty (41%, high MP cost, 1 of 2 bubbles able to be kept up) provide, I'd agree that using up to 10 (but as low as 7) steps to cap the defense reduction at...what was it, -23%, is a pretty extreme cost. Not to say it'd never be worth it, but it's still a lot of work compared to what other -def abilities provide, and while you do gain finishing moves, it's still costing you TP as well.

Edit: Frailty obviously with Idris, I don't keep track of non-Idris numbers anymore, so sub in whatever that is.

it opens a different possible job build for acceptable parties so it's not totally pointless, after all, parties may not be packing a rdm, drg and geo, or allows the geo to go with a different bubble buff/debuff, and I DO like options.

[Malithar]

it opens a different possible job build for acceptable parties so it's not totally pointless, after all, parties may not be packing a rdm, drg and geo, or allows the geo to go with a different bubble buff/debuff, and I DO like options.

If it's to be a genuine option, then it needs to have a similar cost/potency, as Byrth outlined above. Otherwise, why take the clearly inferior option? I'd also argue it's far, far easier to find a good Rdm, Drg, or Geo than a good Dnc, and for the most part, those jobs will bring about a better party output than to bring Dnc so they can spend 30 seconds in JA delay lock per mob.

[Glamdring]

If it's to be a genuine option, then it needs to have a similar cost/potency, as Byrth outlined above. Otherwise, why take the clearly inferior option? I'd also argue it's far, far easier to find a good Rdm, Drg, or Geo than a good Dnc, and for the most part, those jobs will bring about a better party output than to bring Dnc so they can spend 30 seconds in JA delay lock per mob.

because it's not a clearly inferior option. there ARE other damage sources than physical in the game, and I think SE is going to try to bring more magic content to the game, in addition to adding options to do older content with magic damage. I've even seen SC/MB creeping back into strategies. Yes, dnc can box step, he can also lower eva, or he can lower magic evasion. He can even lower magic evasion while you have other jobs lower def or whatever, opening more than 1 damage path-handy on mobs that switch resistances. I realize it's anathema to most but don't lock your mind around the idea that only Zerg counts, because if SE is successful in their efforts to bring other jobs back to the end-game mix it will be because Zerg isn't all that counts. And considering how much I like playing my mages that's a good thing.