Quote Originally Posted by Dale View Post
Except that I wasn't. I'm in a much better position to say what I was doing than you are Malithar. ^^

Just because I said I have known warriors who used shields that were good players and consider them viable does not mean I was debating they were more or less effective than warriors who use great axes or any other play-style.

My disconnect with Afania is over her belief that unless someone helps/does a run with her as efficiently as possible it is somehow punishing her as a result. It's about how she views the contribution of other players in her raid/grind.

And anytime you do a raid/grind with someone they are helping you as far as I'm concerned. This semantic nonsense over the difference in helping and doing a run with someone is enough to hurt my brain cells and has no bearing on this debate at all from my perspective. But in order to be accommodating, I will refrain from using the word help for now on when describing other players who assist you in raids/grind. I'll use that word for now on.
Doing a raid/grind is DIFFERENT from helping. When you do a yorcia run for plasm/gil, everyone gets $$. The only goal of all the pt members is to get stuff. In this case, it's more like a business, less like killing X NM and completing Y mission.

When I use the term help, I meant one person sacrificed their time to help another player progress, and get little to no return. That's help, and that's not business.

You're the one confusing the 2.