Quote Originally Posted by Dale View Post
It's relevant because you brought it up. So it's strange to me you are suddenly saying it has no relevance when you are the one who decided to make it a important distinction in this debate to begin with. But now you are back to saying it's punishment even if a friend helps you in a less-efficient way. It's really hard to keep track of what you are saying because it changes so much.

But anyway: after reading this latest post from you this is what I take your position to be:

For some weird reason you seem to think it's punishment for anyone help you with a raid/grind unless they do it as efficiently as possible. But I maintain you should really learn to appreciate less-then-perfect help and not view it as a punishment. Because it's still better than you having to do it alone. In short: I believe you to have a very flawed idea of what the concept of punishment is.

As to your last point: just because you consider something to be human nature doesn't mean I have to approve of it. I don't get annoyed at people simply because they play a video game differently than I think they should. So it's not in my nature. And I'm pretty human. Least last time I checked.
People are free to play how they want yes, but at the same time you shouldn't discourage other players from telling them what is proven to be better, it's advice, it helps the player improve. When I first started, WAR was the job I started with and since I knew I wanted to be a PLD I used sword + shield, then suddenly I was told I should really use axes (This was when dual wield was king but I didn't have /NIN at the time) so I went with an axe and shield, after which I was to use a GA.

Since most players will now skip that learning step of areas like the Dunes and Qufim Island, there may be some players out there completely unaware they are playing inefficiently, there is no harm in telling them how to improve, they can take the advice on board, or just ignore it and play how they want.