[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

[Dale]

..That is playing stupid.



As a healer, I'll be the first to say it: It is my job to ensure that no one ends up on the floor no matter what. There's very few things in this game anymore that have the damage output to really be a threat with a competent healer and support. The things that are a risk, you use -DT sets, Scherzo, Earthern Armor, or Geo-Wilt/Fend. I don't know how else to put it, but a shield on a War is not helping anyone at all. Good DDs aren't just limited to... good DD, but that's their role. That's why they're there. The good ones will know to voke incoming mobs, do a hate grabbing action after a hate wipe, maintain shadows, -DT sets on when/if needed, WS/SC when is optimal, stack JAs in such a way to get the most out of them, etc. They're not single minded, even Sam and Mnk, two DDs that are considered some of the most single minded around benefit greatly from playing smart and following the above points. But a shield on a War...no, this does absolutely nothing except for gimp the role you're brought for. I played War extensively before it became obvious that my Geo would be infinitely more useful in any content than it. I even skilled shield just cause. But it serves nearly 0 purpose, kiting is the only thing that even remotely comes to mind, and even that's a stretch; what's honestly kited anymore? Is that +30ish defense of whatever even going to make a difference?

As far as letting things bother me, it's more a pride matter. As I said in the previous post, I'd be annoyed if a War in my party had a shield. That's directly saying "I don't trust you to keep me alive." Because guess what, that War didn't get an invite to come and pseudo-kinda-sorta be a tank, he came to DD. His role is to DD. If he tanks from pumping out better numbers than the rest, awesome, I don't have to bother healing a bunch of others except for after TP moves and spells. But he better not toss on a shield because 1, he doesn't need it to survive, and 2, it's not helping the himself or the run. It's gimping himself for...what? Because he's an outside the box thinker that's ahead of his time? He won't be in my runs anymore, I know that much.



Name an honest to god good reason for a War to use a shield in a party situation. And don't do some mouth breather setup like Dnc main healer and 5 DDs without any protective JAs/spells/gear.

A War's role is DD. -DT sets, spells, and JAs are more than enough to survive anything. In what way does a shield help a War fulfill his role? And no, Fencer isn't enough to close the gap. And no, the defense provided by the shield doesn't magically make you able to tank. If anything, you'd tank worse because you're doing far less damage, while still taking similar amounts of damage, thus bleeding hate. So what use is there to it?

I'll respond broadly to a few points.

That is your opinion that using a shield as a warrior is stupid. The warrior using a shield obviously disagrees. But you can feel it's stupid if you want. That's your right. Just don't openly mock him or make rude comments to him because of it. Because that is your issue if you want to let silly things like that cause you personal annoyance. Not his. And he shouldn't have to suffer because of another player's intolerance (for the record I'm not saying you do mock warriors who use shields. But just in case you do I am asking you not to).

Also: it's not your job your job as a healer to ensure no one ends up on the floor no matter what. You of course do what you can to prevent it. But to say it's a healer's job to keep everyone alive no matter what is an impossible standard you will never be able to live up to. And to expect other healers to live up to such an insane job description is unreasonable.

As far as you asking me to give you honest to god good reasons to use a shield in a party situation I will let a warrior do that. I don't play the job, so I'm not qualified to answer such a question. All I know is I have played with some very good warriors who used shields. So it's not as horrible as you are making out.