H-P Bayld aquisition

[Loir]

my responses were logical reasonings for what they chose to say, it was not on effort being used regards to mythic and ergon, but rather people stating that it doesn't require effort. Please explain how getting hundreds of millions of gil worth of items doesn't require effort? I can only think of botting/gil buying. If you have another way of obtaining without effort, please provide one.

If you paid attention to what I said, I already agreed before that HP Bayld acquisition is low and should be made comparable to that of mythics... but hey you don't bother to mention that.

How am I proof that my server is incompetent? Or is this another one of your false logical arguments?

Logical in the most narrow minded view sure, the effort is trivial, time sinks always are hence the concept of time sinks. It is not in my need to reiterate your point or lack there of and proof of incompetence is this entire interaction.

[Protey]

Logical in the most narrow minded view sure, the effort is trivial, time sinks always are hence the concept of time sinks. It is not in my need to reiterate your point or lack there of and proof of incompetence is this entire interaction.

i don't see how one can consider spending hundreds of hours just to obtain an item as "trivial". unless you are immortal and so time has little meaning. are you immortal?

well you were part of this interaction.... so that means you are calling yourself incompetent.

[Loir]

i don't see how one can consider spending hundreds of hours just to obtain an item as "trivial". unless you are immortal and so time has little meaning. are you immortal?

well you were part of this interaction.... so that means you are calling yourself incompetent.

Right, at this point you are purposely being obtuse.

[Protey]

Right, at this point you are purposely being obtuse.

nope, just sinking to the lowest level... yours. because that seems to be all that you understand.

[Loir]

nope, just sinking to the lowest level... yours. because that seems to be all that you understand.

That must be the case, but I think you had to find a ladder to get here.

[dasva]

Oh man this turned into an episode of Jerry Springer fast

[Lostrose]

I think the point of this thread was totally lost.... I don't know why Protey is so touchy about Mythics, but I am sorry this is not the thread to post about it. This thread was made because the HPB supply is too low compared to demand, and the acquisition methods are not balanced compared to other weapons. If you want to complain about Mythics please open another thread <.< and stop ranting about it.

[Olor]

HP Bayld is at 30-35K on Asura. Frankly, that's TOO LOW for me to even consider bothering putting any effort into farming them, as I could make way more money spending my time doing other things. I see hundreds of them are available on the server, so I don't get why people are complaining. If people want more supply they should try offering more gil for them.

As one poster noted, it's a lot of bother getting enough bayld to convert them... and imo it's way more tedious than dynamis.

[Malithar]

HP Bayld is at 30-35K on Asura. Frankly, that's TOO LOW for me to even consider bothering putting any effort into farming them, as I could make way more money spending my time doing other things.

That's largely the point of the thread.

I see hundreds of them are available on the server, so I don't get why people are complaining.

Remember fish botting? Remember the rampant "omg SE ban all these botters!!!!!1" threads here? Fishing 2.0 is the only viable long term grind for HPBs. You can find many Reives in areas such as Outer Ra'kaznar botted 24/7. Check in after a few days or whatever, go cash in your millions of bayld, list HPBs for whatever, sell because you're supplying the only viable source of them, ???, profit.

If people want more supply they should try offering more gil for them. As one poster noted, it's a lot of bother getting enough bayld to convert them... and imo it's way more tedious than dynamis.

Paying more is silly. Some servers are stuck in a 50k selling range as is, these server's Ergons cost over 650 million gil just for the HPB phase, though no other requirements are much of a gil investment anymore. Still fairly excessive. And due to the lack of Bayld/HPBs you get from legit grinding, I don't think I'd personally grind it for profit without it being in the neighborhood of 80k+, drops are rare, respawns on Reives are slow in most areas, and the Bayld you do gain is miniscule in the grand scheme of the total required. For reference, it's the equivalent of 131,000,000 Bayld you'll need. At my own height of farming, I was lucky to make the equivalent of 70-80k Bayld (Bayld + HPB drops) in an hour. At any point, someone else could show up and decide to do a Reive, or perhaps it repops before I got there and they need to get past it, lowering my hourly take.

Even if they didn't, when lucky, I could accomplish ~0.06% progress in an hour. Comparatively, Mythics in an absolute worst case scenario (50 linen, no cotten, 30ish or whatever from trash) could get ~0.2%. Bump that up to a more realistic number, maybe a lil luck but still not counting 2x linen, and you're looking at ~0.5% progress in an hour.

These points have been covered in the thread extensively. Only real defense to it IMO is ignorance of the botting situation behind HPBs acquisition.

[dasva]

While still sucking I averaged more like 3 HPB and some change after converting an hour just sticking with 1 lair zerging it fast then waiting 5 min. Might be better now that I'm killing faster idk. Before the market on skirmish parts tanked used to a lot off of those but now it's averaging around 15k or an hour after selling them based on how fast I've been selling lately. Then a tiny bit from npcing. All told it's probably around what Hakryu fishing was before the nerf (which granted was kinda crappy gil/hr) but almost all of it is relying on the market which is no fun. On the other hand you also get xp, sparks, cp and ac as well