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    If they implemented his "1" or "3" suggestions, I can assure you a large chunk of people would quit over it, a large portion of xi players use the unofficial windower (which these would stop) and I feel rather strongly that a good portion of them would quit if it were unavailable, certainly many more people than would remotely rejoin the game because it had less botters and the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selindrile View Post
    If they implemented his "1" or "3" suggestions, I can assure you a large chunk of people would quit over it, a large portion of xi players use the unofficial windower (which these would stop) and I feel rather strongly that a good portion of them would quit if it were unavailable, certainly many more people than would remotely rejoin the game because it had less botters and the like.
    They couldn't do it anyways. SE has no right to monitor or change any other software that is installed on your computer. They could require that you install something that performs those actions in order to play the game, but that would require the users permission to install and would probably be considered a gross violation of privacy even by people who don't use 3rd party software.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    They couldn't do it anyways. SE has no right to monitor or change any other software that is installed on your computer. They could require that you install something that performs those actions in order to play the game, but that would require the users permission to install and would probably be considered a gross violation of privacy even by people who don't use 3rd party software.
    Check our WoW's Warden. It's been around since 200..7ish I think? It's pretty old news really, that's a more recent topic discussing it though.

    Link tl;dr, part of WoW's EULA is to allow Warden to run on your PC, scanning your active processes, RAM, browsing history, and much more. In essence, it has full access to check and even modify (though I've never read of it actually modifying anything) anything on your computer. It got some news attention back when it was first added, but I was surprised to find something on it as recent as 2012.

    I can understand Blizzard using something like this with over a million subscribers, competitive world first raid clears, competitive PvP, etc. There's a lot of reasons for them to keep things in check. Something like that in FFXI would be overboard though, and honestly more trouble than it'd be worth to them, at least if the recent Salvage vacations were any indication. I don't agree with botting, but tbh, the game has changed in such a way that what bots there are don't really cause any harm. When fish/cruor botting was a thing and there was dozens if not hundreds of millions of gil entering the game daily, that created a lot of inflation issues. When HNMs were a thing and claim bots made the same people/LSs claim on a consistant basis, that locked a large number of people out of content.

    Anymore though? They give supply to the games demand, Skirmish pieces are usually stocked in the AH, valuable synth mats are stocked, and people are capping JPs. None of those things really cause direct harm. Are they wrong? Sure, but who cares anymore? These posts/witch hunts reek of the type of people who'd patrol a parking lot looking for cars parked in a handicap spot to report them, or other such nonsense that people partake in that makes you scratch your head and wonder "don't you have something better to do with your time?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malithar View Post
    Check our WoW's Warden. It's been around since 200..7ish I think? It's pretty old news really, that's a more recent topic discussing it though.

    Link tl;dr, part of WoW's EULA is to allow Warden to run on your PC, scanning your active processes, RAM, browsing history, and much more. In essence, it has full access to check and even modify (though I've never read of it actually modifying anything) anything on your computer. It got some news attention back when it was first added, but I was surprised to find something on it as recent as 2012.

    I can understand Blizzard using something like this with over a million subscribers, competitive world first raid clears, competitive PvP, etc. There's a lot of reasons for them to keep things in check. Something like that in FFXI would be overboard though, and honestly more trouble than it'd be worth to them, at least if the recent Salvage vacations were any indication. I don't agree with botting, but tbh, the game has changed in such a way that what bots there are don't really cause any harm. When fish/cruor botting was a thing and there was dozens if not hundreds of millions of gil entering the game daily, that created a lot of inflation issues. When HNMs were a thing and claim bots made the same people/LSs claim on a consistant basis, that locked a large number of people out of content.

    Anymore though? They give supply to the games demand, Skirmish pieces are usually stocked in the AH, valuable synth mats are stocked, and people are capping JPs. None of those things really cause direct harm. Are they wrong? Sure, but who cares anymore? These posts/witch hunts reek of the type of people who'd patrol a parking lot looking for cars parked in a handicap spot to report them, or other such nonsense that people partake in that makes you scratch your head and wonder "don't you have something better to do with your time?"
    That was pretty much my point. It would cost them a lot of time and money to develop an app that did that and it would probably have far more negative effects on their bottom line than cheating does.
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