Classic Server

[Alhanelem]

I've already mentioned this before, but more people are in favor of the idea than against it, both in this thread and the other one.

You're making just as many assumptions. Only a handful of people that play the game read and post on the forums. Just because some people post in your thread and like your idea does not mean everyone does. You also really can't speak for anyone who hasn't played the game in years as they might not read this forum either, nor can they post on it to say whether or not they want it.

I'm pointing out that I quote people like you to fix any misinformation being present.

It only seems to be misinformation if it doesn't paint your idea in the brightest light. I'm not saying this to be mean, but that's the impression I get based on how passionately you react to criticism of the idea.

Please correct my "misinformation" when you've conducted an extensive scientific survey consisting of a meaningful percentage of the current playerbase. Until then you can't just discredit me by saying I'm relying on assumptions, because you don't have a lot of data yet you act like you have all the information.

I do appriciate you being more respectful. Please understand that while I may not be backing your idea I do not intend any hostility and I do respect your position even if I don't agree.

[PlumbGame]

You're making just as many assumptions. Only a handful of people that play the game read and post on the forums. Just because some people post in your thread and like your idea does not mean everyone does. You also really can't speak for anyone who hasn't played the game in years as they might not read this forum either, nor can they post on it to say whether or not they want it.

It only seems to be misinformation if it doesn't paint your idea in the brightest light. I'm not saying this to be mean, but that's the impression I get based on how passionately you react to criticism of the idea.

Please correct my "misinformation" when you've conducted an extensive scientific survey consisting of a meaningful percentage of the current playerbase. Until then you can't just discredit me by saying I'm relying on assumptions, because you don't have a lot of data yet you act like you have all the information.

I do appriciate you being more respectful. Please understand that while I may not be backing your idea I do not intend any hostility and I do respect your position even if I don't agree.

I can correct you right here. You obviously haven't even read the thread, or you would know what the person you quoted was even referring to. His response was referring to if we based what the community wanted off of the forums, it would even show the majority viewing these threads wants one. That was what his comment was towards. It has already been brought up several times that the forums in no way shape or form represents the current player base, past player base, or future player base, but someone else jumps in and says "no one wants it", we gave him an example of apparently people do.

P.S. there is 2 threads for this for some reason, and it makes certain things that have been discussed may be in the other thread. That being said, I'm sure they are in both considering the repetitiveness of the same thing I keep saying over and over in both threads lol.

[Alhanelem]

I can correct you right here. You obviously haven't even read the thread, or you would know what the person you quoted was even referring to. His response was referring to if we based what the community wanted off of the forums, it would even show the majority viewing these threads wants one. That was what his comment was towards. It has already been brought up several times that the forums in no way shape or form represents the current player base, past player base, or future player base, but someone else jumps in and says "no one wants it", we gave him an example of apparently people do.

P.S. there is 2 threads for this for some reason, and it makes certain things that have been discussed may be in the other thread. That being said, I'm sure they are in both considering the repetitiveness of the same thing I keep saying over and over in both threads lol.

I have read the post, and a couple things are bugging me about it.

1) You have 9 likes. The other thread has 6. That doesn't seem like a significant backing even by this forum's community. I've seen many complaint/idea threads with far more. I think you are overestimating the support for this based on that alone.

2) You ask people not to consider the development implications. That's like asking mechanical engineers not to consider the amount of time it will take them to reintroduce an old car when they're trying to design and develop new ones. Stuff like this takes time- You can fuss over how much or how little you want, but it still takes some amount of time. It's also an ongoing thing. The "classic server" wills till need to be maintained and recieve updates if you expect people to keep playing on it- Yet you're asking people to ignore these factors.

[nekrothing]

You're making just as many assumptions.

What assumptions? There are more people in both this thread and the other one that are in favor of the idea than against it, which is self-evident. I'm referring to people who have actually made posts in either thread. However, only a small portion of the community actually visits these forums, but apparently you feel comfortable with speaking on behalf of the players that don't.

Why are you under the impression that they share your opinion?

[Draylo]

Man you are just delusional... Look at how many likes the OP has, 9 lol. You are acting like the whole world is going to back you up. You won't have the population to even dream of doing this, which is why SE has not done it and will not. I remember even in the peak of this games life, spamming /sea all 55-58 BRD, /sea all 55-58 NIN, /sea all 55-58 PLD for a very long time trying to make a party on my undesired job. It's incredibly unlikely that type of game will succeed in today's gaming world. I loved the old FFXI outside of some portions of it, and I still love it. The game evolved and its time to move on. There are still many of the same aspects here that the old FFXI had. I always am baffled when these nostalgia goggles come into these threads or complain how their beloved FFXI is dead when some of the same systems are in place in the current game. People just don't realize it won't be the same as when you were younger, things change. The game is still alive, appreciate it while it is and realize it will keep changing.

[PlumbGame]

Man you are just delusional... Look at how many likes the OP has, 9 lol. You are acting like the whole world is going to back you up. You won't have the population to even dream of doing this, which is why SE has not done it and will not. I remember even in the peak of this games life, spamming /sea all 55-58 BRD, /sea all 55-58 NIN, /sea all 55-58 PLD for a very long time trying to make a party on my undesired job. It's incredibly unlikely that type of game will succeed in today's gaming world. I loved the old FFXI outside of some portions of it, and I still love it. The game evolved and its time to move on. There are still many of the same aspects here that the old FFXI had. I always am baffled when these nostalgia goggles come into these threads or complain how their beloved FFXI is dead when some of the same systems are in place in the current game. People just don't realize it won't be the same as when you were younger, things change. The game is still alive, appreciate it while it is and realize it will keep changing.

Please at least read before you tell someone they are delusional so you at least have some sort of understanding what they are referring to.

[PlumbGame]

Haven't asked anyone to ignore them. It also doesn't matter what we point out and don't. Doesn't change the facts, no matter how you view it. Better yet, I would just watch the poll. Again, no one said that the likes were indications of player base. We simply stated that people obviously do want it, to counter argue people who say that no one does, and even the little forum members there are want it over the people who don't. No comprehend?

[Draylo]

It doesn't matter if "people obviously do want it" when those people are 9~15 in number. You need a lot more than that to make any kind of change, that is what you don't seem to realize? I bet more people would prefer the current FFXI than going back, how do I know? Because more people play this than any private server. They may claim to want the old days back, but I bet if it was back they would quit within a month or they would be like "eh I moved on, it would be cool though!"

[PlumbGame]

It doesn't matter if "people obviously do want it" when those people are 9~15 in number. You need a lot more than that to make any kind of change, that is what you don't seem to realize? I bet more people would prefer the current FFXI than going back, how do I know? Because more people play this than any private server. They may claim to want the old days back, but I bet if it was back they would quit within a month or they would be like "eh I moved on, it would be cool though!"

no one
pronoun
pronoun: no one; pronoun: noone

no person; not a single person.

So yes, actually it does matter when someone claims that no one wants something.

[Alhanelem]

Disclaimer: Not intending to be mean here, but this bears pointing out.

Have no asked anyone to ignore them.

Please stop speaking as to the developers limitations as I highly doubt you or anyone in here knows the details of them.

What?

We simply stated that people obviously do want it, to counter argue people who say that no one does,

Who is "We?" Without speicfically listing who you feel you are representing, this is a weasel word- something you say to bring weight to an argument but which has no meaning without context. Secondly, I don't think anyone here is suggesting that "no one" wants this. I'm sure there are people that do. Otherwise you would have gotten no likes and no comments in support of your idea. I'm sure some people do want this. I'm just not convinced that there is enough support to warrant taking development time off new content for the game in order to make it happen.

If we could just wave a magic wand and say "here's your classic server, enjoy!", I'd be all for that. You and all the people thinking the same thing as you would be able to rejoyce and the game would not be negatively impacted in any way. But since there are resources required, I have to consider them.