Classic Server

[mattkoko]

I understand this. My point is why risk losing money when they are already making a steady income from the current game. I am not trying to read SE's mind or anything. Just making a point. It is impossible to make an informed decision with out weighing both the risks and the benefits. First comes weighing the risks with the benefits, then comes deciding whether it is worth the risk. There is no way you can possibly say this can be a complete success. I already admit I think it is a cool idea. And I am all for making everyone happy. But if it doesn't work and it does fail and it kills FFXI all together, then no one is happy. I can see SE being worried about something like this.

[PlumbGame]

That is true, why risk it. That's why we try and present situations to kind of remove the risk. Almost give an acceptable certainty that there isn't a risk to take. I strongly feel what it comes down to is the costs to maintain such a server. What would SE have to receive in numbers of players to make such server acceptably viable. I don't know how to go about finding that information, specially more considering our server would most likely be hosted in Japan, what the server costs would consist of roughly. Even more so we don't know how much of their staff it would require to maintain this server(s) which could be detrimental to SE's finances from 11. That is why though we present success that these other companies have had, to almost try and remove that uncertainty. Better yet, I wonder what the best route would be to direct internet traffic to 1 designated poll to maybe better have an understanding of how many people would support such an idea that currently don't play 11 at all, because it's too hard to put like a poll lets say on bg and expect that to be accurate, if that makes any sense what I'm getting at.

[mattkoko]

That does make sense. And I agree it would be much more helpful to be able to make a pole outside of these forums considering the players no longer subscribed probably don't even bother with forums anymore. But some sort of advertising would have to be made to get those poles public to those that may be interested that don't have connections with FFXI anymore.

Sorry this post is kind of rushed and would love to touch up on more but I got to get ready to go to work. It's been fun debating though lol

[ruzoko]

first i'd like to say, i posted a thread just like this a few weeks back and didn't get any good feedback, but i am excited to see more people agree , i knew there was more people out there who wanted this! this idea is perfect and i support it 100%, we need SE to hear us! idk how to do that exactly but if you create a petition or anything like that, let me know i will support it and my friends will too

Well we need to keep the thread alive and support coming with the 1 week free play anyone can post on here so try gathering all the support you can xD

[Rubicant82]

The only way that SE would be able to make this sever work is you have 1200 people who wanted to play on it.
So why not make a petition and get people to sign it. Get enough sigs and maybe SE will listen.
As a corporate officer in a company, I can tell you that they will listen with enough voices. Nothing grabs upper managements attention like paperwork, esp one that has a ton of backing. But arguing back and forth on the forums is not going to give you that satisfaction, nor will it give SE the "warm fuzzy" that they want to get something like this up and running.

I miss the old days to a point, because they have great memories, but I think a lot of people who "miss" them are dewling in nostalgia of how things use to be compared to how they are now... and once they realize how bad it use to be under the tyranny that was the 75 capped World of Tanaka, they will run back to the normal servers and the classic server will do exactly what would have happened to the rest of the game if it had not changed; wither and die.
But! All the more power to you in getting something like it off the ground.

[ruzoko]

I understand this. My point is why risk losing money when they are already making a steady income from the current game. I am not trying to read SE's mind or anything. Just making a point. It is impossible to make an informed decision with out weighing both the risks and the benefits. First comes weighing the risks with the benefits, then comes deciding whether it is worth the risk. There is no way you can possibly say this can be a complete success. I already admit I think it is a cool idea. And I am all for making everyone happy. But if it doesn't work and it does fail and it kills FFXI all together, then no one is happy. I can see SE being worried about something like this.

I highly doubt it would kill FFXI, considering the fact this would be 1 server while the other current ones would still be running. If charged the usual monthly fee for this classic server as well and it brought people in the gain would be there and even if its not a gain then the current servers would still bring the profit. The costs to run a server such as this is questionable considering it wouldnt really be any different than the others aside from some changes here and there, however it could take some time to add/remove things as needed to get a classic server within an acceptable range adding all the new beneficial things from current ffxi to old ffxi ex: more storage, the changes to dynamis, HNMs, etc (think id keep few warps and do away with all the others lol)

[ruzoko]

The only way that SE would be able to make this sever work is you have 1200 people who wanted to play on it.
So why not make a petition and get people to sign it. Get enough sigs and maybe SE will listen.
As a corporate officer in a company, I can tell you that they will listen with enough voices. Nothing grabs upper managements attention like paperwork, esp one that has a ton of backing. But arguing back and forth on the forums is not going to give you that satisfaction, nor will it give SE the "warm fuzzy" that they want to get something like this up and running.

I miss the old days to a point, because they have great memories, but I think a lot of people who "miss" them are dewling in nostalgia of how things use to be compared to how they are now... and once they realize how bad it use to be under the tyranny that was the 75 capped World of Tanaka, they will run back to the normal servers and the classic server will do exactly what would have happened to the rest of the game if it had not changed; wither and die.
But! All the more power to you in getting something like it off the ground.

Nah, this "nostalgia" you speak of isnt there ive heard that term over and over and fact is those who actually would play on a server like this and stay are those who KNOW how hard things were in the past hell i spent 5 years to get a relic and when i obtained it, that was the highlight of my ffxi career was my highest achievement. Things then actually gave that feeling as opposed to now when its handed to you easily and even the hardest parts of current ffxi doesnt make it feel much of an achievement, little separates those who are horrid players to, hate the term but "elite" players who know whats what. Even with top tier gear its not hard for anybody to get the exact same thing even leveling isnt an achievement in current ffxi its a quick rush to fully gear up and move on to the next.

[PlumbGame]

The only way that SE would be able to make this sever work is you have 1200 people who wanted to play on it.
So why not make a petition and get people to sign it. Get enough sigs and maybe SE will listen.
As a corporate officer in a company, I can tell you that they will listen with enough voices. Nothing grabs upper managements attention like paperwork, esp one that has a ton of backing. But arguing back and forth on the forums is not going to give you that satisfaction, nor will it give SE the "warm fuzzy" that they want to get something like this up and running.

I miss the old days to a point, because they have great memories, but I think a lot of people who "miss" them are dewling in nostalgia of how things use to be compared to how they are now... and once they realize how bad it use to be under the tyranny that was the 75 capped World of Tanaka, they will run back to the normal servers and the classic server will do exactly what would have happened to the rest of the game if it had not changed; wither and die.
But! All the more power to you in getting something like it off the ground.

I've had a discussion about this with several people. A lot of the old stuff revolves around more-or-less the friendships that were created. If I could play FFXI today with the same group of people without a fear of them quitting every other month. Those feelings would still exist. So I'm kind of 2 sided. I legimitely want a server like this so I can have the grind all over because personally, I love grindy stuff. I also want it because I feel like people would potentially stay around longer if they played here. Giving me that "warm fuzzy" feeling. On the other hand, I would also not want to play on it, because I enjoy the idea of how casual the game has gone. I enjoy the fact that I can basically do all the content that a server like this would offer, except solo. I enjoy that there is the idea that I could play the game only a couple hours a day and still be on top (though I play it all day).

On another note, there is nothing wrong at all with nostalgia. I still enjoy my reese's peanut butter cups, not just because they are good, but because I also enjoyed them when I was a child.

Also, we have shown multiple instances of the possible success of a server like this. Can any of the people who claim a server like this wouldn't work, or would provide any proof to those claims? Or do we just keep defending some fabrication? Not saying proof doesn't exist, just merely pointing out that it gets pretty repetitive providing the same defense over and over when people seem to not look at the information already given.

[Rubicant82]

Also, we have shown multiple instances of the possible success of a server like this. Can any of the people who claim a server like this wouldn't work, or would provide any proof to those claims? Or do we just keep defending some fabrication?

Where have you (or anyone) given proof that this sever would be a success?
You cannot say that another games success at a classic server means this game's would succeed.
Also demanding proof of an opinion from someone is about as worthwhile as using a siv to gather water.
but if you want to use other games as examples here are a few:
Dark Age of Camelot - Classic server was running for about 1 year and then shut down due to low popularity.
World of Warcraft - So concerned about their "classic" zones they tore them apart so that players could have access to flying mounts in them, and update the graphics used.

Now sense I said you can use other games to prove it would work by all rights it makes the examples I have above null as well.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't pursue the idea. But I am saying you are going to need more than a handful of people on a forum talking bout it.
And with supporters calling other people rather inappropriate names in threads, it is not helping.
Hence why I suggested a petition.

[Natasha]

Dark Age of Camelot - Classic server was running for about 1 year and then shut down due to low popularity.
World of Warcraft - So concerned about their "classic" zones they tore them apart so that players could have access to flying mounts in them, and update the graphics used.

Your advice (petition) wouldn't be a bad idea but I chose to do it here for the specific reason that this is considered the "official" place to give feedback for the game. Go ahead and look at SE's website, it tells you to come here for feedback so I did. Your examples however I think are poor as the WoW one is not even remotely close to a 'classic' server and it also was not a failure either. For dark age, I don't recall that ever existing in anything other than free shards.... I mean if it did they must not have gotten the word out at all because litterally on every single game forum i've ever been on do ppl ask for the dark age of camelot experience and Camelot unchained was funded crowd funded to bring the old school dark age of camelot experience back. So, I can't say either one is really much of a strike against this. I also contest that it cant be compared to other games (when the two games are facing similar situations) and in this case I would compare it to everquest as everquest and ffxi are highly similar. Both have similar gameplay, both are very old and have limited dev teams and players and both have been modernized with time yet everquest made classic servers where ffxi has not.