Classic Server

[Alhanelem]

Not really no. Your latter post contradicts the former. This game already has the hardware support, as it was a dev outspoken requirement if this game would be supported to 2021. Now that they have it, no hardware limitations that would have existed are no longer a constraint. They have all the resources there for it and without cost. As far as the fracturing that you keep venturing into, that's not valid either. Players can have both a 99 character and a classic one. If anything, that's an extra dollar for current players in SE's pocket on top of the 13 dollars a month for every returning character.

This paragraph is a bunch of gibberish. Best I can tell, You seem to be living in a fantasy world where there would be no cost associated with developing a special version of the game for special people with special desires. They do not have old verisons of the game on file (at least not all the way back). They'd basically have to take the current version of the game and strip out features and rework things. There is a development cost and it requires resources they don't have, as all of those resources are being used to further the current game and give *current* fans what they want (at least sometimes...) over giving people who played the game once upon a time something they THINK they want (and I know this from people i've known to play classic versions of MMOs t hat are out there- a game frozen in time that doesn't get updates just doesn't have the longevity to keep those players indefinitely- one of the reasons I chose NOT to try WoW Classic, aside from the fact that I had specific reasons for wanting to and one of those reasons was NOT grinding up to level 60 again).

This concept isn't something that can be made to just magically appear to magically create more $. It requires time and development that would have to be taken away from the current game and what loyal following it currently has. And you can be sure there are players here today that would not be happy with the proposition of a "classic" server coming at their expense.

This is al aside the fact that you don't really need anything special under the definition of "classic" I hear most often among friends, which is simply pre-abyssea or pre-Wings. All you have to do to get that is start a new character, grind with like-minded friends, and not complete the 75->80 cap quest. you'll be capped at 75 doing things a 75 is capable of doing, and not a lot of that has changed other than Dynamis and some higher level monsters being plugged into some older areas. You don't need a special server, you can use level sync to let others less committed to the idea play with you, etc. FFXI even today gives you plenty of tools to play the way you want to play. And if you hate modern QOL features, well just don't use the home points to teleport and don't use the new mounts.

[Seish]

I will work backwords with your comments as that is the best way to make sense of your weak and incohesive argument. The aspect of lv sync at 75 rrequires that one of the jobs are 75 to begin with. I am sure you are aware of this. Bundle that with the lack of HNM's, JA behavior, Job adjustments, food adjustements, armor augmentation, as well as HNM and NM behavior adjustments make what you say impossible. While in theory you can sync, not many players are at lv75. You are missing that this game isn't just about banding with friends and doing old lv75 content as you'd like. It's about the journey there and the challenge. Current retail does not allow for this challenging journey for many players and which is why trying to do it on a current server to be impossible as people would remember it. Not because it's impossible theoretically, anyone that still has a 75 job could get a lv sync. Rather, it's the way the game is now and how the jobs are adjusted. There are too many changes to players that would prevent that.

You've said in other posts about splitting the community and I've stressed that it wasn't. I've also pointed out, with you conceeding this fact, that you are emotionally tied to the game as it currently is and your current experience--that tie is emotionally clouding your judgment here and it shows. As I've said before, they have the version log history and the origional build of the game exists--which is NOT THE SOURCE CODE. Those are completely different and unrelated things. They have it, unless a Dev or a moderator comments otherwise, it's fair to assume they have the original build. From there, they can go back to a point in time--let's say RoTZ--and start there as that's when most the NA players came on board. Ok cool. Now you mention content, well they continue release content until ToAU and see what happens. All of this, mind you, has already been done. None of this is reinventing the wheel and which is why I made the comment of this not being the source code. If they wanted to redesign the game from scratch while keeping heavy elements of the core itself, then they would be forced to use the source code. This isn't that at all and above all, little manpower in development, if any, would be required. The most expensive part would be to do a study as to how far back this server should go. The servers they already have--if they didn't, we wouldn't be playing now would we .

So unless SE says they don't have the original build, I would suggest you stop that argument here and now. The original build IS NOT THE SAME AS SOURCE CODE. As you said in a previous thread you have mistaken the original build for the source code prior to me educating you the romor dealt with the source code and listed examples as to what that meant. But even you conceeded that you said it was heresay and something you couldn't verify prior to continuing that argument. But let's say that article of the source code was correct, it wouldn't matter because the original build is not source code. If you want to learn more, I'd suggest googling what source code is.

Now that we got that out of the way, there is absolutely no reason why they couldn't. And trying to equate to what someone could do in current retail won't play out quite the same as how the game was "In Era". Now I suggest unless you have some more information about this, such as an article that actually says SE lost the builds too--which I doubt with version control that would ever happen--then everything excluding dividing the community lays flat. But seeing the post above hasn't addressed that after I addressed it prior, I guess you conceded this fact? But if you have not, I repropose my example of Ninja and his following eager to play a classic FFXI. Or those that play in private servers itching for something more. There is a market and you cannot deny it. And this gets to your last point about limited resources. While you state that, having a classic server would only generate revenue. Even you said there would be a short following and interest in the post prior to my last one. So a game that is stagnant couldn't hurt getting the resources it needs. If there's an interest, why not capitalize on it? With what I read so far, you have not clearly shown me where significant resources would be required to create a classic server.

But better yet, and as I've said in another thread to you and others, is that it keeps being brought up BECAUSE there is a necessity for it. Just because you do not see a need doesn't mean others don't. I am sure at the end of the day though, you won't change your opinion. But unless it's something substantial, you shouldn't flaunt it around as fact. This thread is proof that the discourse between both positions on a classic server is not only alive, but something to consider.

[Pixela]

They are never going to add a classic server, they are battling to keep the current servers around as it is.

[Seish]

You say that, but that's a conjecture.

[Alhanelem]

You say that, but that's a conjecture.

The same is true for the classic server arguments.

The only real argument you have, and it isn't even a good one, is "WoW did it, so FFXI can too!"

WoW achieved far wider mass market appeal and even the fraction of players on WoW classic vs the main game is larger than all of FFXI. You need to learn something about economies of scale to realize that a certain volume of users is required for it to be viable, and WoW easily has enough, but FFXI simply does not.

[Seish]

The same is true for the classic server arguments.

So far, every point you bring I have an answer for. While it's a conjecture what I am saying, there is substance to the argument.

[Alhanelem]

So far, every point you bring I have an answer for. While it's a conjecture what I am saying, there is substance to the argument.

So far, every one of your answers has been illogical and not based on anything other than your own opinion.

(and you basically debunked your own argument by admitting to the conjecture)

[Seish]

So far, every one of your answers has been illogical and not based on anything other than your own opinion.

When one loses an argument, they resort to these tactics. But this is also coming from the person who cannot tell the difference between version build and source code. That was the fundamental component of one of your main arguments--if not your main selling point to yours. I've addressed your points, you have no leg to stand on other than how you personally feel about it. But that alone isn't enough.

Edit: When I quoted you, it was at that time the full comment. I see you have added it prior to my post not showing the edit history.

[Seish]

I was thinking it was a normal discussion til you make those snarky comments like that. Keep it up. It doesn't make you look good. Else you may be banned from this forum too like the XIV forum.

[Alhanelem]

I was thinking it was a normal discussion til you make those snarky comments like that. Keep it up. It doesn't make you look good. Else you may be banned from these forums too.

SE doesn't ban people for giving opinions. I haven't broken any rules or done anything wrong, while what you're doing could be construed as a personal attack.

(And personal attacks in an argument are what's known as the Straw Man fallacy.)