Classic Server

[detlef]

I apologize for sometimes coming off as rude.

Thank you for acknowledging this. It's been very unpleasant reading your responses to my and others' posts. Vanilla.

[PlumbGame]

Thank you for acknowledging this. It's been very unpleasant reading your responses to my and others' posts. Vanilla.

Go vanilla yourself.

[Zarchery]

Your conjecture was very interesting, thank you.

Now, if you would be so kind as to validate your claims with sources.

You want me to cite sources to support a purely hypothetical thing that never actually happened?

We're all conjecturing here, difference is that I don't pretend mine is backed by facts. You keep saying "Classic FFXI would work because Classic Lineage worked". Which makes no sense. Lineage != Final Fantasy 11. It's like... Sex and the City was a hugely popular TV show. Then it went off the air. Two knockoff series then followed--Lipstick Jungle and Cashmere Mafia. Both failed miserably. But your mode of thinking dictates that they should have succeeded, because Sex and the City was popular.

[PlumbGame]

You want me to cite sources to support a purely hypothetical thing that never actually happened?

We're all conjecturing here, difference is that I don't pretend mine is backed by facts. You keep saying "Classic FFXI would work because Classic Lineage worked". Which makes no sense. Lineage != Final Fantasy 11. It's like... Sex and the City was a hugely popular TV show. Then it went off the air. Two knockoff series then followed--Lipstick Jungle and Cashmere Mafia. Both failed miserably. But your mode of thinking dictates that they should have succeeded, because Sex and the City was popular.

Again, this is faulty logic when you use a simile of something of no relevance. You would of been better comparing WoW knock offs that failed, which is also an entirely different reasoning. It isn't just Lineage that has been pointed out in these threads also, there has been several different success stories. One of which is almost similar in all aspects except the job system which is EQ. There is also a "more probable than not" basis when you look at supporting evidence of the facts, which he is saying that he has provided. He is basically asking what supporting evidence do you guys have to validate the supposed failures that exist with something like this. There hasn't been anything provided, so how can we determine based off of known information that it would fail, because the known information that has been provided shows that something like this would succeed rather than not. That's to not say that it would, but like I said, "more probable than not".

[Zarchery]

No, the known information he has shown was that "something like this" worked, in the same way that "something like Cashmere Mafia" worked, but Cashmere Mafia didn't.

The assertion "this other MMORPG with a classic server worked so every MMORPG with a classic server will likely work" is exactly as faulty as "this TV show about women in the city living glamorous lives worked so every TV show about women in the city with glamorous lives will likely work".

There's also probable evidence that it would fail if you look at 1) the low server populations we have now and 2) the even lower server populations on the private servers which fulfill this need.

[Olor]

I'd like them to put in a classic server so it could fail and everyone could stop asking for it.

[PlumbGame]

No, the known information he has shown was that "something like this" worked, in the same way that "something like Cashmere Mafia" worked, but Cashmere Mafia didn't.

The assertion "this other MMORPG with a classic server worked so every MMORPG with a classic server will likely work" is exactly as faulty as "this TV show about women in the city living glamorous lives worked so every TV show about women in the city with glamorous lives will likely work".

There's also probable evidence that it would fail if you look at 1) the low server populations we have now and 2) the even lower server populations on the private servers which fulfill this need.

Actually it's not, you compared a tv series to a game. You also treat it like FFXI would be recreating Linage, when it is recreating FFXI. Your reference is a TV show copying another TV show.

That isn't probable evidence. Lower pop for current FFXI doesn't indicate any failure of past FFXI, matter of fact, the eras suggest had pops of 3k+ which is even more probable than not evidence of success. The private servers have already been pointed out, but I'll point out the most again. First, private servers aren't even suppose to be mentioned here, let alone on most sites aren't aloud to be mentioned, removing a vast amount of population possibly interested not even knowing of it's existence. 2nd, people want an SE handled classic server, not a third party. Third, the stability of said private servers is usually garbage, and usually can't hand X amount of people in the server, let alone X amount of people in 1 zone unless they fork out hefty amount of money which usually isn't the case, not just for XI, but most private servers for anything. Fourth, the functionality is garbage of said server, with many aspects hard coded not being able to be removed yet, or ever. Things like pathing don't even work properly, let alone many of the JA/Skills/Spells etc. I could keep going, but to use any XI private server as a basis for your argument is outrageous and kind of insulting. None-the-less, if we were to talk about how much people do love nostalgia, look at project 1999 for EQ which is almost as good as it gets to an exact replica (while some aspects may need some work), and has a higher pop than the live servers hit in 1999. Anyways, just saying, if you are going to compare a private server, at least use one that isn't garbage, and those don't exist, or are even close to replicating the classic era of FFXI. I've even played on one religiously, and although fun, was still so far away it was kind of deteriorating to me ever thinking a private server will hit such capabilities for FFXI.

[PlumbGame]

I'd like them to put in a classic server so it could fail and everyone could stop asking for it.

Like the OP then! ^^

[nekrothing]

You want me to cite sources to support a purely hypothetical thing that never actually happened?

I'm providing a logical basis for my reasoning based on empirical evidence. Your personal beliefs are the basis for your conjecture, which are neither rational nor valid.

If you're going to suggest that a classic server won't be successful, I'm going to need more than "because I said so, here are some hypothetical examples I made up." Without validating your claims by citing relevant sources to establish a logical basis for your reasoning, your argument has no solid foundation to stand on.

[PlumbGame]

On another note, I would like to know server costs if anyone happens to have this info on hand or know get hosting service. Let us try take some costs into account and what better way to start then by assuming a server like this is going to take up obvious costs of running it. Without getting into detail of what SEs supposed resources are or limitations, I would like to know what we may be looking at for a number of subs active on a server like this to alone just cover the costs of flipping a switch and just letting it run. Thanks ahead of time if someone can find some of this info, I know I could just google it and try and find something, but I seem to not be finding any concrete information. Can't believe I just failed at googling.