Classic Server

[PlumbGame]

My apologies.

Don't apologize. You did nothing wrong. All you did was participate in the convo. The guy was just trying to troll. Even though I do love current FFXI, I also strongly support this idea, one reason I sometimes get so heated in the discussion. So it's just nothing more that drives me nuts than comments like his without fully understanding what people like me may be getting at. Well, maybe he does, he just felt it was necessary to try and be a smartass.

I apologize for sometimes coming off as rude.

[detlef]

I apologize for sometimes coming off as rude.

Thank you for acknowledging this. It's been very unpleasant reading your responses to my and others' posts. Vanilla.

[PlumbGame]

Thank you for acknowledging this. It's been very unpleasant reading your responses to my and others' posts. Vanilla.

Go vanilla yourself.

[Zarchery]

No, the known information he has shown was that "something like this" worked, in the same way that "something like Cashmere Mafia" worked, but Cashmere Mafia didn't.

The assertion "this other MMORPG with a classic server worked so every MMORPG with a classic server will likely work" is exactly as faulty as "this TV show about women in the city living glamorous lives worked so every TV show about women in the city with glamorous lives will likely work".

There's also probable evidence that it would fail if you look at 1) the low server populations we have now and 2) the even lower server populations on the private servers which fulfill this need.

[PlumbGame]

No, the known information he has shown was that "something like this" worked, in the same way that "something like Cashmere Mafia" worked, but Cashmere Mafia didn't.

The assertion "this other MMORPG with a classic server worked so every MMORPG with a classic server will likely work" is exactly as faulty as "this TV show about women in the city living glamorous lives worked so every TV show about women in the city with glamorous lives will likely work".

There's also probable evidence that it would fail if you look at 1) the low server populations we have now and 2) the even lower server populations on the private servers which fulfill this need.

Actually it's not, you compared a tv series to a game. You also treat it like FFXI would be recreating Linage, when it is recreating FFXI. Your reference is a TV show copying another TV show.

That isn't probable evidence. Lower pop for current FFXI doesn't indicate any failure of past FFXI, matter of fact, the eras suggest had pops of 3k+ which is even more probable than not evidence of success. The private servers have already been pointed out, but I'll point out the most again. First, private servers aren't even suppose to be mentioned here, let alone on most sites aren't aloud to be mentioned, removing a vast amount of population possibly interested not even knowing of it's existence. 2nd, people want an SE handled classic server, not a third party. Third, the stability of said private servers is usually garbage, and usually can't hand X amount of people in the server, let alone X amount of people in 1 zone unless they fork out hefty amount of money which usually isn't the case, not just for XI, but most private servers for anything. Fourth, the functionality is garbage of said server, with many aspects hard coded not being able to be removed yet, or ever. Things like pathing don't even work properly, let alone many of the JA/Skills/Spells etc. I could keep going, but to use any XI private server as a basis for your argument is outrageous and kind of insulting. None-the-less, if we were to talk about how much people do love nostalgia, look at project 1999 for EQ which is almost as good as it gets to an exact replica (while some aspects may need some work), and has a higher pop than the live servers hit in 1999. Anyways, just saying, if you are going to compare a private server, at least use one that isn't garbage, and those don't exist, or are even close to replicating the classic era of FFXI. I've even played on one religiously, and although fun, was still so far away it was kind of deteriorating to me ever thinking a private server will hit such capabilities for FFXI.

[Olor]

I'd like them to put in a classic server so it could fail and everyone could stop asking for it.

[PlumbGame]

I'd like them to put in a classic server so it could fail and everyone could stop asking for it.

Like the OP then! ^^

[mattkoko]

I'd like them to put in a classic server so it could fail and everyone could stop asking for it.

Alright, let's use your logic with a topic you care about. I have seen the bst thread. Using your logic, I am going to say, I hope they give you new pets and hope they fail just so you can stop asking for new pets. Better yet, let's just erase the job all together. That will shut them up.

Now of course I don't actually wish that. The point is the people that are for a classic server are obviously passionate about it. And they should be allowed to express their interest, just like you are allowed to express your interest with the improvements on bst. It is one thing to debate and disagree but to wish something fails is just selfish. Personally speaking, I probably would not use the classic server if it ever got put up and I have my reasons.

Whether it succeeds or not is another story. I personally think it wouldn't succeed and again, I have my reasons for that which I will not express, mainly because I share my reasoning with a couple of other points both with others as well as some of my own in previous posts. We have talked circles about it through out this thread and the other thread. but I am also open to the fact that I could end up being wrong. But to hope it fails just so you can prove a point? Grow up.

With that said, I hope they make a classic server and hope it succeeds, because it will both shut everyone up, and so everyone would be happy. Just joking about the shutting everyone up part. Figured I would try to lighten the mood. But hey, I am all for making everyone happy. The more people they make happy, the more money they bring in, meaning more opportunities to create better content and make bst a better job just to shut the bsts up. Jk again. Okay this is where I shut up .

[Olor]

Alright, let's use your logic with a topic you care about. I have seen the bst thread. Using your logic, I am going to say, I hope they give you new pets and hope they fail just so you can stop asking for new pets. Better yet, let's just erase the job all together. That will shut them up.

That doesn't make any sense. At all.

I say this because, frankly, if people cannot get even 3 people on any given server together who want to do content the old way, there is ZERO chance that a "classic" server would succeed. Since I came back to the game I've seen people start 'classic' shells etc and none of them last. If people can't find people who want to play like that on existing servers it makes no sense to spend the dev time and money on a classic server that will not have enough players to work anyway.

Asking for fixes to a job is nothing like asking for a special server. Improvements to BST help every player in the game if they should so choose to use BST. Having a classic server would be a waste of resources. Also there are far more BSTs than people who want to grind tediously through 10 year old content.

[Apie]

I'd like them to put in a classic server so it could fail and everyone could stop asking for it.

THIS!

I wish I could Like your post 1000 times. A classic server is such a horrible idea, I've been playing since USA launch (technically before US launch) and FFXI is now 100x better than it used to be. Sure, I have fond memories of alliances doing things together. However, I didn't block out the HOURS upon HOURS of waiting just to do a 1 hour run. I don't miss having to level a job I didn't want to play as just because my preferred job wasn't needed in any party to do anything at all, plus since nothing was soloable. I don't miss how an alliance would work together in a Dynamis run just to make the relic weapon for 1 person while the rest just lotted over relic gear, which many times was already promised to a LS owner's friend, so most times you didn't even get anything for your work in Dynamis. I don't miss having to spend a ton of time gathering a party together only to have 1-2 people quit right after starting cause "this took too long to get started" or "I have to go to work/school now." I don't miss having to leave my mule out in Rolanberry fields just cause of the jeuno tax. I don't miss having to camp a NM for hours only to have people claim it the millisecond it pops, and this happening 10 times before finally getting the claim and not having the item drop cause of the lower treaure hunter, if TH was even part of the equation. I don't miss having to switch to BLM cause WHM couldn't have warp due to the lvl75 cap. I don't miss have CoP areas reducing my hard earned level75 to lvl30. I WILL miss the ability to /DNC any job to make staying alive a realistic option when soloing. I don't miss Emperor Ring being the only option for quicker solo leveling. I don't miss the long wait between dynamis runs...See my point? We only remember the fun times, but we ignore the countless hours wasted to have that short period of fun, whereas now you can do whatever you want, whenever you want and without having to gather a billion people to do 1 thing.

However, most tend to forget the pointless hard times, so making this classic server is a good thing, so those that don't remember the hard times as they were, will have a chance to re-live it, realize how much it sucked and then come back to the improved ffxi. Of course they probably will find other reasons to complain about it, like saying that the classic server sucks cause most that left ffxi didn't come back, so now we have too few people...etc... lol