red ninja needs buffs, badly.

[Andylynn]

after 3 nasty bird parties, i've come to the conclusion, low to mid level ninja sucks. we suck it up til 37, wasting cash on shihei, only to fall behind in comparison in damage dealing. whoever thought ninja was supposed to be a designated tank at low levels was not very bright.

-tried spamming debuffs/wheel. got way too expensive, didn't do too much to keep aggro.
-tried tanking with yonin, i couldnt hit for crap
-tried a combo of the two + evasion gear, i still got hit way too much!

why must lower level gear subtract one for the other, when i want to try and actually evade a damn monster, when i hit it does hardly anything. and when i try vice versa, it ends up eating shadows. this game needs to make up its mind, either give us better tanking equipment, or give us skills to relegate us to roles other than peoples moneyslaving tanks.

if i am to remain a low level tank, i would appreciate better gear, and more job abilities made for retaining emnity, because burning this much shihei just to be a near useless partymate is obnoxious. i dont want to have to wait til 75+ or soloing EPs in order to evade deftly. nor do i want to wait til then to do decent damage either.

[Malamasala]

if i am to remain a low level tank

That is the wonderful part of FFXI. You won't remain low level for long.

[wish12oz]

I didn't have any problems holding hate or not dieing when I leveled ninja in 2004/2005. You have much more to work with now, it should be easy. I blame player error, if you spent less time pretending to be awesome and having relics/mythics, and learned how to play the game, I bet you could do it too.

[Andylynn]

[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] there are plenty out there that i've discussed with and agree, low level ninja is an awful tank, they fail hard at trying to keep aggro, especially in places where the DDs have a weapon type advantage.

[Corwin]

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At least you're honest about it.

[Karbuncle]

I didn't have any problems holding hate or not dieing when I leveled ninja in 2004/2005. You have much more to work with now, it should be easy. I blame player error, if you spent less time pretending to be awesome and having relics/mythics, and learned how to play the game, I bet you could do it too.

DD's also have much more to work with as well though. This is in terms of holding hate, DDs from 2011 are slightly smarter than in 2005 and have access to more gear options (I think such as Swift Belt/Headlong? Were either of those around in 2005... its been too long). So do NIN but its a different ballpark with the 2-handed Update (which i think was later than 2005?), NIN falls behind with a lot of 2handed DD.

Outside of that, I dunno :X I leveled my NIN about the same time as you 2005~ and It wasn't horrible, But its been too long to accurately remember.

[Andylynn]

DD's also have much more to work with as well though. This is in terms of holding hate, DDs from 2011 are slightly smarter than in 2005 and have access to more gear options (I think such as Swift Belt/Headlong? Were either of those around in 2005... its been too long). So do NIN but its a different ballpark with the 2-handed Update (which i think was later than 2005?), NIN falls behind with a lot of 2handed DD.

Outside of that, I dunno :X I leveled my NIN about the same time as you 2005~ and It wasn't horrible, But its been too long to accurately remember.

indeed e___e. when you've got sidewinders flying for 1200+, and pentas for 600+, its kind of hard for a nin to do anything about that :x.

[Rambus]

I didn't have any problems holding hate or not dieing when I leveled ninja in 2004/2005. You have much more to work with now, it should be easy. I blame player error, if you spent less time pretending to be awesome and having relics/mythics, and learned how to play the game, I bet you could do it too.

That is because in 04/05 DDs did not do damage like they do now. you have new gear and buffs like the 2H buff.

back then for the most part melees where to get tp then the blm with the mb was the bulk of the damage.

[Cream_Soda]

I didn't have any problems holding hate or not dieing when I leveled ninja in 2004/2005. You have much more to work with now, it should be easy. I blame player error, if you spent less time pretending to be awesome and having relics/mythics, and learned how to play the game, I bet you could do it too.

You know how much DDs have been buffed since 2004/2005. 2004/2005 hate methods aren't going to work the same way, unless the DDs are just plain horrible

[Alkalinehoe]

I would do NINx2 tank for low levels (36 and under), works pretty well. WAR/NIN x2 also works too. Heck, I've tanked as SAM/WAR in Yhoator without much troubles.