Job Points should not be JOB FIXES

[SNK]

I see that the devs again indicated that instead of outright fixing something that isn't working for a job they plan to address it with job points. That is not acceptable.

I am just exasperated. Job points should be a bonus, not a job fix. If the devs think people are going to subscribe to solo grind points for months they are wrong.

Please just fix things without tying it to the obscene grind that is job points.

This is what set me off today - but it's a trend:



NO. Just NO. If you recognize that pet accuracy is so terrible it makes pet jobs unusable in current content - FIX IT. Don't expect us to grind 6 months of job points on a job no one will invite regardless.

Seriously please stop with all the angry rant threads. Oh wait yeah you can't read my posts. God what a waste of bandwith this thread is...

Job points aren't job fixes and they aren't required by people when forming parties.
There exists no game content which requires you to have them to win.
Pet only groups are clearing VD battlefields already, please stop complaining the job is weak when it isnt.

Edit: I take that back. This was a very good post.

[Camiie]

Look, SNK, I don't know you except from your posts here where you tend to shoot down any suggestions that BST receive improvements to make it more effective and desirable in group play or get its Treasure Hunter back. I'm going to just go on the assumption that you're like that extraordinary DNC in my previous post. You're the one person out of the multitudes who play the job who somehow makes it work for whatever you want to do. That doesn't mean the job is fine. It's fine for you, and quite honestly that doesn't mean a darn thing. Your experience is an aberration yet you treat it as though it's the norm. That's really not very smart.

[Aeron]

Look, SNK, I don't know you except from your posts here where you tend to shoot down any suggestions that BST receive improvements to make it more effective and desirable in group play or get its Treasure Hunter back. I'm going to just go on the assumption that you're like that extraordinary DNC in my previous post. You're the one person out of the multitudes who play the job who somehow makes it work for whatever you want to do. That doesn't mean the job is fine. It's fine for you, and quite honestly that doesn't mean a darn thing. Your experience is an aberration yet you treat it as though it's the norm. That's really not very smart.

I don't know if you can go so far as to say that his experiences are an aberration. Without getting into details it just appears and I could be completely wrong, but I don't think I am that the ppl asking for significant buff just aren't very good players. I really don't mean that to sound offensive. You have to gear appropriately for battle situation, you have to obtain a certain standard of gear to beat D content. A lot of the comments on here make it sound like they want to be able to beat content on ROE gear on D or higher.

[Camiie]

I don't know if you can go so far as to say that his experiences are an aberration. Without getting into details it just appears and I could be completely wrong, but I don't think I am that the ppl asking for significant buff just aren't very good players.

You are completely wrong.

I really don't mean that to sound offensive. You have to gear appropriately for battle situation, you have to obtain a certain standard of gear to beat D content. A lot of the comments on here make it sound like they want to be able to beat content on ROE gear on D or higher.

My WAR is pretty well geared and, excluding AF and Relic Armor, shares the majority of that gear with my BST. Using essentially the same gear, and even using dual axes, my WAR will do much more damage than my BST+pet. My BST doesn't have the oomph my WAR does. It doesn't have the abilities and traits that make WAR an effective DD. THAT is the issue here. The only native buff BST has is Killer Instinct and there are many situations where it's not even useful. Aggressor, Berserk, Warcry, Warrior's Charge, Retaliation, Restraint, and Blood Rage will work just as well against an undead, arcana, Ark Angel or beastman as they will against a lizard or bird. Also one may have to rely on a subpar pet just to get the bonus. It doesn't help that even decent DD pets are neutered (pun sort of intended) of what would be powerful ready moves. Basically BST has a lack of personal power, and the pet doesn't make up the difference because they too lack power and accuracy.

[Demonjustin]

A lot of the comments on here make it sound like they want to be able to beat content on ROE gear on D or higher.

From one friend to another, I assure you, BST's issues aren't simply in the gear of those complaining. You know I work on Cem quite a bit and while I don't know that you've ever really seen me play it, I do work on BST quite a bit due to it being my old Dynamis job on her. Once RF came out I worked on 109/119ing Cem's RF gear and got her both of my desired axes, that said she never came close to basically any other DD even in minor content like Skirmish, let alone AAs. I won't say she's anywhere near the best BST ever, no where near, but her gear isn't gimped either. Her DMG however was never close enough between pet and master combined for me to continue going to events on the job as I always felt like a waste, it's one of the reasons I stopped playing Cem months ago for the most part and began to do everything on DJ again. So, with that said, while I will say some people don't gear it as it should be geared it's not all a gear problem, a lot of it comes in the form of simply issues with the job.

A few things that BST specifically has done as sort of a slap in the face for one would be Job Points. It's probably one of the least likely jobs to get JPs in the entire game, yet it has Pet Haste as a category, the best category of any JP there is. Once uncapped this will be an amazing 30% Haste for your pet, assuming that's magic haste as it's the only form that goes above 25% would mean that a BST using proper gear and Familiar would have an amazing -65% Delay on their pet at all times, which would more or less make up for the lack of haste buffs on your pet by itself. That's amazing, and while it's amazing and would help the job a ton it's behind a gate no one wants to get passed because it's so damned time taking. So, it's part gear, part job, and part predictive overpowering I think, but in the end the job simply needs adjustments because as it stands right now it has no real use that I can tell. Even it's old niche Dynamis has been taken over by THF and DNC which make far more than BST now, it's slow at Salvage by compare to most, and those are the only old events BST can really accell at that others used to struggle with.