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[Afania]

Of course it's relevant to base it on what's in shouts and here's why, almost everyone participates in PUG groups and many people rely solely on them however fewer people are in endgame LSs that allow them to come any job that they want. So, shouts would be a better indication of the average players experience.

And I'm not criticizing PUG groups for who they choose because you're completely right they're going to shout for jobs that make it easiest for the whole group.

As for my point about having a Ergon weapon means you have a good LS. I'm not saying he does in fact have a good LS that helped I know for a fact that he worked really hard to get his HP Bayld, we're on the same server I've personally sold him some of those HP Bayld. I've even been to Woh Gate JP party with him. But I am saying that people that are as we'll geared as his GEO is don't get there with PUGs at least not very often. You keep saying that we can't give our opinion because it's from personal experience and the you list off a bunch of personal events, like how your BLU can out parse SAMs or your personal experiences with setting up PUGs or go off on tangents. You say we can't base job balance on what people are shouting for and then start talking about how some people play in LSs.

You say we can't base it on what most players do (PUGs) because not all players do it that way (Elite LSs) and I submit the exact opposite, the game shouldn't be based on the few but should be based on the average experience.

I /shout for GEO 24/7 for incursion and often get no /tell, it's more of an issue of nobody plays GEO, instead of nobody invites GEO lol.

I'd invite a good BLM for yorcia or incursion as well, but personally I don't know anyone that plays BLM, so I may as well skip them. I don't /shout for BLM because I know I'm not getting anyone, so it's just a waste of time to even type the letter BLM lol.

If someone has a well geared BLM and GEO, but unwilling to send a /tell when a leader is making a pt /shouting for SAM MNK WHM BRD, that person has nobody to blame but himself.

I use BLU as an example to demonstrate how ppl said "lolutility, useless utility" instead of a personal experience to show how the job can get a pt invite. I'm well awared that a setup with proper stunner and support can go with SAMs going all out. Proper stun and support just isn't happening in PUG.

While I agreed that certain job can only get invite if it has good gear, while jobs like SAM MNK BRD WHM has lower gear requirement, this is more of an issue that SAM MNK is just so much easier to gear and play as a DD v.s jobs like THF, and nobody plays BRD WHM so we have to /shout for it as well.

[Xerius]

If someone has a well geared BLM and GEO, but unwilling to send a /tell when a leader is making a pt /shouting for SAM MNK WHM BRD, that person has nobody to blame but himself.

I completely agree with everything you said and that is a good point but as a BLM I can attest to the fact that even if you have a well-geared BLM a lot of times they simply won't take you because your low HP and high enmity gain can make you a huge liability. As a general rule risk should equate to reward and you just don't see that with BLM. With all of our cons we have very few things that make up for it and I think that, that is a big problem.

[Afania]

I completely agree with everything you said and that is a good point but as a BLM I can attest to the fact that even if you have a well-geared BLM a lot of times they simply won't take you because your low HP and high enmity gain can make you a huge liability. As a general rule risk should equate to reward and you just don't see that with BLM. With all of our cons we have very few things that make up for it and I think that, that is a big problem.

I saw JPs /shout for a BLM for skirmish3/incursion fairly often though. Although I agree that NA community seems to /shout for it a lot less than JP....idk why! JPs PUG lv 127+ incursion fairly often and /shout for a BLM, so it can't be a bad job tbh.

[Xerius]

I saw JPs /shout for a BLM for skirmish3/incursion fairly often though. Although I agree that NA community seems to /shout for it a lot less than JP....idk why! JPs PUG lv 127+ incursion fairly often and /shout for a BLM, so it can't be a bad job tbh.

To be completely honest I haven't done any Incursion or Skirmish 3. I would guess that it's because BLM is still in a sense king of AoE damage with GEO being an extremely close second? I know in Skirmish you only really bring BLM for the mobs that are weak to magic but resistant to physical damage.