Quote Originally Posted by Xerius View Post
You say we can't base it on what most players do (PUGs) because not all players do it that way (Elite LSs) and I submit the exact opposite, the game shouldn't be based on the few but should be based on the average experience.
Didn't mean for my response to come off as a jab, the Drg bit just hit a nerve cause honestly, it's like "what more do you want?!" People always want buffs to their jobs, no doubt, but Drg got into a solid place with that single buff. Geo's in a great place, but I still want more. :3 I don't expect more though lol.

The Blm bit you misunderstood, I meant that Blm can DD alongside of a Sam and not hinder the Sam's DPS by interrupting their SCs (like another melee would), and DD quite well by MBing. Hate/DPS issues are handled fairly well with AM2 with a good precast set. MP is another matter, but good sources of Refresh and Aspir/Aspir II rotations worked well from what I saw. Can't get behind Blm should be just as good as the best melee though, there'd be very little reason to bring melees then. Just take a Blm army, grav, kite, nuke. Regardless of what their position should be, they have tools available that make them much more than just a magical DD.

As for the quoted, I just can't really agree. Shouts focus on the best or the "best assumed" jobs at that specific content. Whether that PUG knows what they're doing or not is up for debate, but I'd wager most aren't aware of what other jobs CAN do, or you wouldn't have moronic posters saying things like lolWar, lolBlu, etc. Most jobs in this game bring something to the table that may or may not be desirable for specific content. Whether a job works in it or not is up to the Dev team really. Cor for example in Incursion, I'd absolutely hate playing Cor in there, unless there was some solid stun support going on. But beyond what the Dev team may design the content for, it's ultimately up to the players to do said content with their job setups, pugs willing or not.

Most jobs are more than capable of doing it. It may not be optimal, but it doesn't have to be. And sometimes, to be frank, it just takes someone bringing something else out of the job that no one expected. You said you grouped with me in CP groups, would a melee Geo of ever crossed your mind as something that was effective? Good gear or otherwise (it doesn't really take THAT much to make it work, IMO), it's doable.

Blu is another good example, a good Blu can just about always amaze you when things hit the fan. Massive potency AoE grav, sleeps, stuns, heals, burst damage, etc. Or they can just be a sword swinger who occasionally hits a macro for /p <call3> CHAIN AFFINITY DARK SKILL CHAIN INC! DO NOT INTERRUPT!!! The game's a mixed bag of who you meet and how well they play their jobs. If they're playing them at the peak of the job's ability, most have a use, whether pug shouters know it or not. No amount of buffs will change that (IE, poster above mentioning Rdm/Blm stunning), unless those buffs take you so over the top that we all start saying lolSam.