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[Bebekeke]

I know what your point was. But if no one wants them in their group, then it doesn't really matter how good they are. Being awesome at something that takes six people doesn't help much if you can't find 5 other people to do it with.

It's definitely a community perception problem, but it's still a problem none the less. It takes more than just being good enough. In order to break the perception, the job needs to actually excel at something important to the content.

And before anyone says "Just form your own group..."

That has never solved the problem with the greater community seeing X job as inferior and it never will.

Basically, the first group to complete X content posts on BG their setup, and from then on, that is the setup that everyone uses. Until someone else joins a PUG created by a person playing a job outside of that cookie cutter setup, and goes back to thye forums saying "ZOMG we just did it with this setup and completed it in half the time!" then nobody will ever shout for other jobs.

It's like RDM stunners, for example.

Delve content was always SCH stunners only.

Always.

So much so that despite the fact that it's now a few months since people have proven that RDM is actually better than SCH at stunning (since haste 2 was released, I assume) it's still very common to see shouts for SCH only.

[Selindrile]

So much so that despite the fact that it's now a few months since people have proven that RDM is actually better than SCH at stunning (since haste 2 was released, I assume) it's still very common to see shouts for SCH only.

For what it's worth, I haven't seen a Sch stunner shout in ages, everyone here shouts for Rdm, second off, Sch is still better for stunning one for one because alacrity = 4s recast Rdm can only get it down to 8s, Rdm just takes one less march to do it, and can give others haste2 as well, and has dia3, so people tend to prefer that here on Fenrir.

[Glamdring]

Basically, the first group to complete X content posts on BG their setup, and from then on, that is the setup that everyone uses. Until someone else joins a PUG created by a person playing a job outside of that cookie cutter setup, and goes back to thye forums saying "ZOMG we just did it with this setup and completed it in half the time!" then nobody will ever shout for other jobs.

It's like RDM stunners, for example.

Delve content was always SCH stunners only.

Always.

So much so that despite the fact that it's now a few months since people have proven that RDM is actually better than SCH at stunning (since haste 2 was released, I assume) it's still very common to see shouts for SCH only.

I generally agree with you except that I've seen ALOT of new content introduced over the years first beaten with all or mostly pet jobs, it's safer, but it tends to be slow. So it's more the 1st strategy that doesn't involve throwing pets at it until you get a win that gets picked up and made into the cookie cutter. But as the pet jobs DID beat it, clearly there are other ways to go-as you suggested rdm in place of Sch is viable, other DD can clearly be subbed for some that are invited, a cor in place of a ranger actually gives both buffs AND ranged damage if you can get them to use their gun, a geo in place of a bard gives weaker buffs but increases damage output from that party slot, etc. There are usually alternatives, they just aren't as fast, and they may require the players to know what they are doing in their button-mashing but it can be done. Look at surge WoE right now, the job of choice is summoner, but I expect once people find viable alternatives that won't remain the case because it's a pet/magic job and the melee don't like that. Incidentally, mages also do quite nicely in those as well.