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[Afania]

AT certain times, having those weapons increased your chance of success by a great deal. You'll notice that no one really shouts for them now because they no longer make a significant impact when compared to what average joe's are sporting. Now people just ask if you have a 119 weapon. Simply being the right level is good enough.

This isn't true at all, OAT GS was powerful enough to beat all the content pre-SoA, so does TP bonus GKT. And yet it was still RME only.

No one really /shout for RME now because RE is already dead. Tsuru > relic and empy, and 90% of players own Tsuru. If you /shout mythic only you won't get anyone for a good while so you may as well don't /shout for them.

Also my point wasn't what is /shout for, but whether none mythic owners can compete with mythic owner when one spot open if both send /tell together.

If I /shout "Koga only" for event, it won't worth the effort now because it's going to take longer, only minority of the playerbase owns koga.

If 80% of the player owns koga, every /shout I do I can get 4 koga tell but only 1 tsuru /tell, then the tsuru SAM would be in a inferior position when trying to get that spot.

Your argument about "it takes longer to /shout for a Mythic" would no longer be valid if 80% of player owns koga and you get 10 Koga /tell in 10 sec every shout.

I could reverse that and say that your imaginary friend who is gonna quit if the most tedious quest line in the game is made slightly less tedious is really not gonna quit. It's not hard content. It's not even all that interesting at this point. It just takes a looooong time. If just doing something that takes a long time is what you want, then do it twice. I don't think anyone has them all yet. Go be that guy.

FYI I do have friends who quit after mythic done, and whether mythic is hard/tedious or not is irrelevant in this discussion. Most ppl tend to use "Mythic isn't hard, just tedious" as an argument to support easier mythic requirement, but that does not have any logic to back it up. By logic if Mythic is bad because it's long and tedious, the solution is to make it equally long but more fun to build, instead of shorten the process.

Just because you enjoy collecting weapons, doesn't mean there's a need to turn every weapon in this game into delve weapons.

Not everyone in this game has the same opinion as you about the weapons, nor have the same taste. There are players like instant gratification weapons like delve weapons, there are players like to build semi time consuming weapons like relic, there are players like to build very time consuming weapons like mythic/ergon, there are players like to build extremely time consuming weapons like afterglow.

The point is to have options to satisfy every type of player.

If you like instant gratification, go collect delve weapons. Since there's already an option for instant gratification fans, there's no need to turn EVERY weapon bar afterglow into instant gratification weapons.

Your argument about "If you like mythic building just build 2" isn't legit. If owning multiple weapons is what I want, I can just get delve weapons or relics. I have multiple none RME 119 weapons already, I don't need anymore weapons that I can finish in a short time.

Further more, each job can only use 1 mythic, your argument about "just go build 2" won't work anyways. If you want to use that as an argument, at least ask SE to release new line of legendary for every job.

You can't tell ppl just "go get afterglow if you want to spend time" either, since afterglow isn't the same tier of time investment as mythic. It costs at least 7+ times more than RME, and there needs to be a middle ground for ppl that wants to spend time, but not THAT much time.

[FrankReynolds]

This isn't true at all, OAT GS was powerful enough to beat all the content pre-SoA, so does TP bonus GKT. And yet it was still RME only.

People didn't put that in the OAT weapons in shout because it was easier to just say RME. I'm sure if you had said you had one of those weapons, no one would have complained. You're just splitting hairs.

Also my point wasn't what is /shout for, but whether none mythic owners can compete with mythic owner when one spot open if both send /tell together.

Their close enough that the party leader is probably just gonna take whoever responded first. There's a high likelihood that they won't even ask what weapon because at this point pretty much all 119 weapons are good enough and pretty much everyone has one.

If I /shout "Koga only" for event, it won't worth the effort now because it's going to take longer, only minority of the playerbase owns koga.

If 80% of the player owns koga, every /shout I do I can get 4 koga tell but only 1 tsuru /tell, then the tsuru SAM would be in a inferior position when trying to get that spot.

You could apply that logic to just about any piece of gear or weapon. But like I said, most people don't shout for specific weapon. Just the weapon level.

Your argument about "it takes longer to /shout for a Mythic" would no longer be valid if 80% of player owns koga and you get 10 Koga /tell in 10 sec every shout.

See above

FYI I do have friends who quit after mythic done, and whether mythic is hard/tedious or not is irrelevant in this discussion.

They probably quit because they were burned out on the game after doing such a tedious quest.

Most ppl tend to use "Mythic isn't hard, just tedious" as an argument to support easier mythic requirement, but that does not have any logic to back it up. By logic if Mythic is bad because it's long and tedious, the solution is to make it equally long but more fun to build, instead of shorten the process.

Yeah, that would be nice. Just build a whole new quest line and delete the old one...

Just because you enjoy collecting weapons, doesn't mean there's a need to turn every weapon in this game into delve weapons.

There's a huge difference between changing a quest so that it takes 2 months instead of 3 months and changing the quest so that it takes 1 hour. You're just exaggerating now.

Not everyone in this game has the same opinion as you about the weapons, nor have the same taste. There are players like instant gratification weapons like delve weapons, there are players like to build semi time consuming weapons like relic, there are players like to build very time consuming weapons like mythic/ergon, there are players like to build extremely time consuming weapons like afterglow.

The point is to have options to satisfy every type of player.

If you like instant gratification, go collect delve weapons. Since there's already an option for instant gratification fans, there's no need to turn EVERY weapon bar afterglow into instant gratification weapons.

Your argument about "If you like mythic building just build 2" isn't legit. If owning multiple weapons is what I want, I can just get delve weapons or relics. I have multiple none RME 119 weapons already, I don't need anymore weapons that I can finish in a short time.

Further more, each job can only use 1 mythic, your argument about "just go build 2" won't work anyways. If you want to use that as an argument, at least ask SE to release new line of legendary for every job.

You can't tell ppl just "go get afterglow if you want to spend time" either, since afterglow isn't the same tier of time investment as mythic. It costs at least 7+ times more than RME, and there needs to be a middle ground for ppl that wants to spend time, but not THAT much time.

That whole argument boils down to "I want a weapon that no one else can." which goes against your whole argument for having stuff for everyone.

[Afania]

People didn't put that in the OAT weapons in shout because it was easier to just say RME. I'm sure if you had said you had one of those weapons, no one would have complained. You're just splitting hairs.



Their close enough that the party leader is probably just gonna take whoever responded first. There's a high likelihood that they won't even ask what weapon because at this point pretty much all 119 weapons are good enough and pretty much everyone has one.

Nope, pretty sure if Tsuru and koga send tell together most ppl with right mind would pick koga first.They won't say Koga only but they'd still make choice and pick ppl. I never say anything about ppl would shout for koga only, I only said ppl would invite koga first if they see koga /tell.

They probably quit because they were burned out on the game after doing such a tedious quest.

Nah, they said they want to quit before they start, just want to finish a mythic before quit. Stop applying your POV on other ppl lol.

That whole argument boils down to "I want a weapon that no one else can." which goes against your whole argument for having stuff for everyone.

It doesn't though, even if they make mythic obtainable for more ppl, it still doesn't benefit everyone, unlike making more content which will for sure benefit everyone.

Not sure how you don't see this logic. If they make mythic more obtainable, I'm still gonna sit in town having nothing to do, if they make more content I can go out and do the content. The game should be build on creating more content, not making the life of old content shorter.

I also didn't argue that the weapon shouldn't be obtainable by anyone else except me - -. I said current mythic requirement is just fine, and a lot of ppl already get it, thus it's obtainable by someone else. If I want a weapon not obtainable by anyone else I'd ask "please deliver mythic to my inbox but not other ppl's ty" instead.

[FrankReynolds]

Nope, pretty sure if Tsuru and koga send tell together most ppl with right mind would pick koga first.They won't say Koga only but they'd still make choice and pick ppl. I never say anything about ppl would shout for koga only, I only said ppl would invite koga first if they see koga /tell.

But people don't ask so....

Nah, they said they want to quit before they start, just want to finish a mythic before quit. Stop applying your POV on other ppl lol.

So keep the game a certain way to satisfy people who are planning on quitting. Makes perfect sense.

It doesn't though, even if they make mythic obtainable for more ppl, it still doesn't benefit everyone, unlike making more content which will for sure benefit everyone.

How does making more content benefit your friends who are only playing until they finish their mythics? Which content will for sure benefit everyone?

Not sure how you don't see this logic. If they make mythic more obtainable, I'm still gonna sit in town having nothing to do, if they make more content I can go out and do the content. The game should be build on creating more content, not making the life of old content shorter.

Why do you think they can't do both? The mythic line is already built. Changing it requires minimal effort. This isn't an either / or situation. If they can make more content, they can easily update the mythic stuff as well.

I also didn't argue that the weapon shouldn't be obtainable by anyone else except me - -. I said current mythic requirement is just fine, and a lot of ppl already get it, thus it's obtainable by someone else. If I want a weapon not obtainable by anyone else I'd ask "please deliver mythic to my inbox but not other ppl's ty" instead.

You pretty much did. You want it set at a difficulty where most people can't / won't do it so that you can feel special. That's almost the same thing.

[Afania]

You pretty much did. You want it set at a difficulty where most people can't / won't do it so that you can feel special. That's almost the same thing.

Lol, if I want to feel special I'd ask the dev to give me three glowing effects, or change my character model into a mantra. NO ONE ELSE GETS THREE GLOWING EFFECT ON A MANTRA EXCEPT MEEEEE!

It sure it's easy to play the "you want to feel special" card if I ask for goals/contents in this game with reasonable length to worth $12 a month sub fee.

"I want content that worth 3~5 months of playing so I don't finish everything in 2 weeks and quit, can I haz more grind?"

"You just want to feel special!"

Lol. Sounds like a conversation between trees and brickwalls.

Btw, do you name your character "Mrkillface" or collect all delve weapons because you want to feel special too?

[FrankReynolds]

Lol, if I want to feel special I'd ask the dev to give me three glowing effects, or change my character model into a mantra. NO ONE ELSE GETS THREE GLOWING EFFECT ON A MANTRA EXCEPT MEEEEE!

It sure it's easy to play the "you want to feel special" card if I ask for goals/contents in this game with reasonable length to worth $12 a month sub fee.

No one said you couldn't keep doing the quests over and over to infinity if you just love doing assault missions, einherjar and salvage, go do it. No one asked for the content to be removed or modified in the slightest. You can do the same old boring stuff as much as you like for all eternity.

But it's not about the content. It's about the item. You want to be one of the only people around to have it. The content loses all value to you when someone else has the time to do it because you don't care about the content at all. You just want to be able to do something everyone else can't.

"I want content that worth 3~5 months of playing so I don't finish everything in 2 weeks and quit, can I haz more grind?"

Why not add some afterglow to your weapon? Is that too much time and money?

"You just want to feel special!"

Lol. Sounds like a conversation between trees and brickwalls.

Btw, do you name your character "Mrkillface" or collect all delve weapons because you want to feel special too?

What does that even mean? You have to name your character. WTF does that have to do with anything at all?

And no, I collected weapons because I wanted to beat content and those weapons made it easier. They're fairly easy to get and I'm glad. I hate searching and not finding people who are geared well almost as bad as I hate not being geared appropriately myself. I love that collecting gear is easier now. I hate having to choose between an almost guaranteed loss or not inviting my friends to events.

I had this same stupid argument when VW was the thing. Everyone complained about having the same gear as everyone else. Why do you need your pixels to be better than everyone else when you should be happy that they are better than the NM you are fighting? You should want the gear so that you can beat content. Not so that you can look like the coolest kid in port jeuno. You shouldn't be butthurt just because some other kid has the same sword or armor as you.

I mean do you do this in real life? Did you drop out of school because the 13 year grind seemed pointless when you found out that every other kid could graduate too? or did you keep going because not being an idiot is more important than being better than the kid next door?

Shouldn't playing well be the goal and not who can play the longest?

[Afania]

No one said you couldn't keep doing the quests over and over to infinity if you just love doing assault missions, einherjar and salvage, go do it. No one asked for the content to be removed or modified in the slightest. You can do the same old boring stuff as much as you like for all eternity.

Are you arguing that ppl should play MMO not for item? Cuz as far as I know of, every MMO player do the content for items.

Nobody do monstrosity because NO ITEM.

Nobody do Eco warrior because NO ITEM.

So why should I do assault/ein over and over if there are NO ITEM?

Your point is getting silly. You can yell at me for wanting to be special all day long, but you can't change how MMO players think.

Also, mythic isn't an item "everyone else can't obtain" but rather "some ppl choose not to do it". If you purposely choose not to do the mythic, you have nobody else to blame but yourself.

If I want to own an item nobody else has, I'd stop others from making the decision to make the item, but you made the decision by yourself, and you blame me for wanting an item nobody else has? Lol.

I didn't do anything to stop ppl go after a mythic, if someone isn't working on a mythic, he/she purposely choose not to do it.

Why not add some afterglow to your weapon? Is that too much time and money?

Sure why not, that doesn't mean they should make mythic easier though. Sounds like you want easier mythic cuz you want one, you don't want easier afterglow cuz you don't want one, am I right?

What does that even mean? You have to name your character. WTF does that have to do with anything at all?

Yeah, you have to name your character, but I'm still going to play the "you wanna be special" card cuz you don't give your character a normal name!

I just did the same thing you did, I wanted mythic requirement stay the same, then you played "you just wanna be special" card to twist the reason into "you want something nobody else has", I can do the same.

I had this same stupid argument when VW was the thing. Everyone complained about having the same gear as everyone else. Why do you need your pixels to be better than everyone else when you should be happy that they are better than the NM you are fighting? You should want the gear so that you can beat content. Not so that you can look like the coolest kid in port jeuno. You shouldn't be butthurt just because some other kid has the same sword or armor as you.

I don't butthurt if someone else has the same sword or armor as me if they spend as much time/gil as me. I don't butthurt when I see another player owning a mythic because he/she probably spend the time on it and probably deserves it.

I do buffhurt when I see ppl ask for faster gears, because I think you can already get gear fast enough in this game compare with other MMO, I think it's a bad direction to make it faster.

You can keep playing "you just wanna be special" card and ignore every other points I've made, I'm gonna counter it with the same card as well!