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[FrankReynolds]

What content gives you the impression that mythics are needed for anything? It's the nature of the player base, not the content. Or did you think VW required RMEs? Delve requires RMEs? Skirmish requires RMEs?

AT certain times, having those weapons increased your chance of success by a great deal. You'll notice that no one really shouts for them now because they no longer make a significant impact when compared to what average joe's are sporting. Now people just ask if you have a 119 weapon. Simply being the right level is good enough.

Normal BCs require RMEs? All listed are things I've seen people shout for hours at times, looking for x job with mythic, for no real good reason at all.

There's always that one idiot who demands the best. There's a guy on my server who shouts all day for relic rangers for AA normal fights. He shouts for a looooong time because no one wants to party with a guy who shouts for stupid crap like that.

A year ago, every shout was like that. All of them. Why? Because a guy with a delve weapon would blow a guy with ah gear out of the friggin water and people were pushing against time limits. Now, a delve weapon isn't far ahead of a JSE weapon. Close enough that player error is a much larger factor in winning. So now you only see stupid people demanding them. The guy who won't take anything less than an RME nowadays is usually exactly the guy you don't want to go with anyways.

It's as Afania said, when someone makes a pug, they go for the top end. What he didn't go into detail about and where most pugs go wrong is they demand the top end. That doesn't mean the content needs it, that's just the player base's mentality of "go with the highest chance to succeed." And as he said, when pugging, outside of checking out their gear sets in detail, asking what weapon they have is a short cut to getting an idea of how well they're geared. Doesn't mean it works 100%.

I would beg to differ. People don't look for the best chance to succeed. They look for the most reasonable chance to succeed. If the odds are incredibly high that you can't beat something without a certain job / item then you will demand that. JSE sams and monks can beat most stuff now with a fairly high success rate. That used to be a huge gamble so no one did it. Now I see it all the time. If it's more effort to find a RME guy than it is to just do the content without, people will go without. That is what happens more often than not now with a few exceptions.

There's always gonna be that one shell or individual who refuses to let people who haven't built all the weapons leech off their clearly superior skills...

[Afania]

AT certain times, having those weapons increased your chance of success by a great deal. You'll notice that no one really shouts for them now because they no longer make a significant impact when compared to what average joe's are sporting. Now people just ask if you have a 119 weapon. Simply being the right level is good enough.

This isn't true at all, OAT GS was powerful enough to beat all the content pre-SoA, so does TP bonus GKT. And yet it was still RME only.

No one really /shout for RME now because RE is already dead. Tsuru > relic and empy, and 90% of players own Tsuru. If you /shout mythic only you won't get anyone for a good while so you may as well don't /shout for them.

Also my point wasn't what is /shout for, but whether none mythic owners can compete with mythic owner when one spot open if both send /tell together.

If I /shout "Koga only" for event, it won't worth the effort now because it's going to take longer, only minority of the playerbase owns koga.

If 80% of the player owns koga, every /shout I do I can get 4 koga tell but only 1 tsuru /tell, then the tsuru SAM would be in a inferior position when trying to get that spot.

Your argument about "it takes longer to /shout for a Mythic" would no longer be valid if 80% of player owns koga and you get 10 Koga /tell in 10 sec every shout.

I could reverse that and say that your imaginary friend who is gonna quit if the most tedious quest line in the game is made slightly less tedious is really not gonna quit. It's not hard content. It's not even all that interesting at this point. It just takes a looooong time. If just doing something that takes a long time is what you want, then do it twice. I don't think anyone has them all yet. Go be that guy.

FYI I do have friends who quit after mythic done, and whether mythic is hard/tedious or not is irrelevant in this discussion. Most ppl tend to use "Mythic isn't hard, just tedious" as an argument to support easier mythic requirement, but that does not have any logic to back it up. By logic if Mythic is bad because it's long and tedious, the solution is to make it equally long but more fun to build, instead of shorten the process.

Just because you enjoy collecting weapons, doesn't mean there's a need to turn every weapon in this game into delve weapons.

Not everyone in this game has the same opinion as you about the weapons, nor have the same taste. There are players like instant gratification weapons like delve weapons, there are players like to build semi time consuming weapons like relic, there are players like to build very time consuming weapons like mythic/ergon, there are players like to build extremely time consuming weapons like afterglow.

The point is to have options to satisfy every type of player.

If you like instant gratification, go collect delve weapons. Since there's already an option for instant gratification fans, there's no need to turn EVERY weapon bar afterglow into instant gratification weapons.

Your argument about "If you like mythic building just build 2" isn't legit. If owning multiple weapons is what I want, I can just get delve weapons or relics. I have multiple none RME 119 weapons already, I don't need anymore weapons that I can finish in a short time.

Further more, each job can only use 1 mythic, your argument about "just go build 2" won't work anyways. If you want to use that as an argument, at least ask SE to release new line of legendary for every job.

You can't tell ppl just "go get afterglow if you want to spend time" either, since afterglow isn't the same tier of time investment as mythic. It costs at least 7+ times more than RME, and there needs to be a middle ground for ppl that wants to spend time, but not THAT much time.

[FrankReynolds]

This isn't true at all, OAT GS was powerful enough to beat all the content pre-SoA, so does TP bonus GKT. And yet it was still RME only.

People didn't put that in the OAT weapons in shout because it was easier to just say RME. I'm sure if you had said you had one of those weapons, no one would have complained. You're just splitting hairs.

Also my point wasn't what is /shout for, but whether none mythic owners can compete with mythic owner when one spot open if both send /tell together.

Their close enough that the party leader is probably just gonna take whoever responded first. There's a high likelihood that they won't even ask what weapon because at this point pretty much all 119 weapons are good enough and pretty much everyone has one.

If I /shout "Koga only" for event, it won't worth the effort now because it's going to take longer, only minority of the playerbase owns koga.

If 80% of the player owns koga, every /shout I do I can get 4 koga tell but only 1 tsuru /tell, then the tsuru SAM would be in a inferior position when trying to get that spot.

You could apply that logic to just about any piece of gear or weapon. But like I said, most people don't shout for specific weapon. Just the weapon level.

Your argument about "it takes longer to /shout for a Mythic" would no longer be valid if 80% of player owns koga and you get 10 Koga /tell in 10 sec every shout.

See above

FYI I do have friends who quit after mythic done, and whether mythic is hard/tedious or not is irrelevant in this discussion.

They probably quit because they were burned out on the game after doing such a tedious quest.

Most ppl tend to use "Mythic isn't hard, just tedious" as an argument to support easier mythic requirement, but that does not have any logic to back it up. By logic if Mythic is bad because it's long and tedious, the solution is to make it equally long but more fun to build, instead of shorten the process.

Yeah, that would be nice. Just build a whole new quest line and delete the old one...

Just because you enjoy collecting weapons, doesn't mean there's a need to turn every weapon in this game into delve weapons.

There's a huge difference between changing a quest so that it takes 2 months instead of 3 months and changing the quest so that it takes 1 hour. You're just exaggerating now.

Not everyone in this game has the same opinion as you about the weapons, nor have the same taste. There are players like instant gratification weapons like delve weapons, there are players like to build semi time consuming weapons like relic, there are players like to build very time consuming weapons like mythic/ergon, there are players like to build extremely time consuming weapons like afterglow.

The point is to have options to satisfy every type of player.

If you like instant gratification, go collect delve weapons. Since there's already an option for instant gratification fans, there's no need to turn EVERY weapon bar afterglow into instant gratification weapons.

Your argument about "If you like mythic building just build 2" isn't legit. If owning multiple weapons is what I want, I can just get delve weapons or relics. I have multiple none RME 119 weapons already, I don't need anymore weapons that I can finish in a short time.

Further more, each job can only use 1 mythic, your argument about "just go build 2" won't work anyways. If you want to use that as an argument, at least ask SE to release new line of legendary for every job.

You can't tell ppl just "go get afterglow if you want to spend time" either, since afterglow isn't the same tier of time investment as mythic. It costs at least 7+ times more than RME, and there needs to be a middle ground for ppl that wants to spend time, but not THAT much time.

That whole argument boils down to "I want a weapon that no one else can." which goes against your whole argument for having stuff for everyone.

[Afania]

People didn't put that in the OAT weapons in shout because it was easier to just say RME. I'm sure if you had said you had one of those weapons, no one would have complained. You're just splitting hairs.



Their close enough that the party leader is probably just gonna take whoever responded first. There's a high likelihood that they won't even ask what weapon because at this point pretty much all 119 weapons are good enough and pretty much everyone has one.

Nope, pretty sure if Tsuru and koga send tell together most ppl with right mind would pick koga first.They won't say Koga only but they'd still make choice and pick ppl. I never say anything about ppl would shout for koga only, I only said ppl would invite koga first if they see koga /tell.

They probably quit because they were burned out on the game after doing such a tedious quest.

Nah, they said they want to quit before they start, just want to finish a mythic before quit. Stop applying your POV on other ppl lol.

That whole argument boils down to "I want a weapon that no one else can." which goes against your whole argument for having stuff for everyone.

It doesn't though, even if they make mythic obtainable for more ppl, it still doesn't benefit everyone, unlike making more content which will for sure benefit everyone.

Not sure how you don't see this logic. If they make mythic more obtainable, I'm still gonna sit in town having nothing to do, if they make more content I can go out and do the content. The game should be build on creating more content, not making the life of old content shorter.

I also didn't argue that the weapon shouldn't be obtainable by anyone else except me - -. I said current mythic requirement is just fine, and a lot of ppl already get it, thus it's obtainable by someone else. If I want a weapon not obtainable by anyone else I'd ask "please deliver mythic to my inbox but not other ppl's ty" instead.

[FrankReynolds]

Nope, pretty sure if Tsuru and koga send tell together most ppl with right mind would pick koga first.They won't say Koga only but they'd still make choice and pick ppl. I never say anything about ppl would shout for koga only, I only said ppl would invite koga first if they see koga /tell.

But people don't ask so....

Nah, they said they want to quit before they start, just want to finish a mythic before quit. Stop applying your POV on other ppl lol.

So keep the game a certain way to satisfy people who are planning on quitting. Makes perfect sense.

It doesn't though, even if they make mythic obtainable for more ppl, it still doesn't benefit everyone, unlike making more content which will for sure benefit everyone.

How does making more content benefit your friends who are only playing until they finish their mythics? Which content will for sure benefit everyone?

Not sure how you don't see this logic. If they make mythic more obtainable, I'm still gonna sit in town having nothing to do, if they make more content I can go out and do the content. The game should be build on creating more content, not making the life of old content shorter.

Why do you think they can't do both? The mythic line is already built. Changing it requires minimal effort. This isn't an either / or situation. If they can make more content, they can easily update the mythic stuff as well.

I also didn't argue that the weapon shouldn't be obtainable by anyone else except me - -. I said current mythic requirement is just fine, and a lot of ppl already get it, thus it's obtainable by someone else. If I want a weapon not obtainable by anyone else I'd ask "please deliver mythic to my inbox but not other ppl's ty" instead.

You pretty much did. You want it set at a difficulty where most people can't / won't do it so that you can feel special. That's almost the same thing.

[Afania]

You pretty much did. You want it set at a difficulty where most people can't / won't do it so that you can feel special. That's almost the same thing.

Lol, if I want to feel special I'd ask the dev to give me three glowing effects, or change my character model into a mantra. NO ONE ELSE GETS THREE GLOWING EFFECT ON A MANTRA EXCEPT MEEEEE!

It sure it's easy to play the "you want to feel special" card if I ask for goals/contents in this game with reasonable length to worth $12 a month sub fee.

"I want content that worth 3~5 months of playing so I don't finish everything in 2 weeks and quit, can I haz more grind?"

"You just want to feel special!"

Lol. Sounds like a conversation between trees and brickwalls.

Btw, do you name your character "Mrkillface" or collect all delve weapons because you want to feel special too?

[FrankReynolds]

Lol, if I want to feel special I'd ask the dev to give me three glowing effects, or change my character model into a mantra. NO ONE ELSE GETS THREE GLOWING EFFECT ON A MANTRA EXCEPT MEEEEE!

It sure it's easy to play the "you want to feel special" card if I ask for goals/contents in this game with reasonable length to worth $12 a month sub fee.

No one said you couldn't keep doing the quests over and over to infinity if you just love doing assault missions, einherjar and salvage, go do it. No one asked for the content to be removed or modified in the slightest. You can do the same old boring stuff as much as you like for all eternity.

But it's not about the content. It's about the item. You want to be one of the only people around to have it. The content loses all value to you when someone else has the time to do it because you don't care about the content at all. You just want to be able to do something everyone else can't.

"I want content that worth 3~5 months of playing so I don't finish everything in 2 weeks and quit, can I haz more grind?"

Why not add some afterglow to your weapon? Is that too much time and money?

"You just want to feel special!"

Lol. Sounds like a conversation between trees and brickwalls.

Btw, do you name your character "Mrkillface" or collect all delve weapons because you want to feel special too?

What does that even mean? You have to name your character. WTF does that have to do with anything at all?

And no, I collected weapons because I wanted to beat content and those weapons made it easier. They're fairly easy to get and I'm glad. I hate searching and not finding people who are geared well almost as bad as I hate not being geared appropriately myself. I love that collecting gear is easier now. I hate having to choose between an almost guaranteed loss or not inviting my friends to events.

I had this same stupid argument when VW was the thing. Everyone complained about having the same gear as everyone else. Why do you need your pixels to be better than everyone else when you should be happy that they are better than the NM you are fighting? You should want the gear so that you can beat content. Not so that you can look like the coolest kid in port jeuno. You shouldn't be butthurt just because some other kid has the same sword or armor as you.

I mean do you do this in real life? Did you drop out of school because the 13 year grind seemed pointless when you found out that every other kid could graduate too? or did you keep going because not being an idiot is more important than being better than the kid next door?

Shouldn't playing well be the goal and not who can play the longest?