"THe Development Team Does Not Currently Have Plans Too..."

[Afania]

I have better skills than you. I do make as much in 5 hours a week as you make in 40. Your analogy is terrible.

This grind pays strictly based on attendance. Not how hard you work or how good you are. If you want to be rewarded for effort, make an effort to play better. Not an effort to just show up more.

Not sure what's so terrible about this example, better skill to make more money is equal to more effort and it should be rewarded. Effort isn't necessary the amount of time you spend, but also how smart/talented you are, how hard you work, and how lucky you are.

I also have to point out ppl with better skill/play smarter in FFXI do make gil a lot faster. For example, selling delve2 win when it was hard and worth 15M~20M each clear, or sell legion drop when it was just out when only a few LS can beat it.

What about people who have a job that doesn't allow them to own a Ferrari, but they won enough money from like a game show or actually won the lotto.

Luck is part of a skill, we all know that.

[FrankReynolds]

Not sure what's so terrible about this example, better skill to make more money is equal to more effort and it should be rewarded. Effort isn't necessary the amount of time you spend, but also how smart/talented you are, how hard you work, and how lucky you are.

Show me how smart and skilled you are. Go do einherjar 5 times a day. You can't. Clear it faster than me because you're better. Still gotta wait til the next day. Try harder. Put in more effort..... Still gotta wait till the next day. Show your talent. click the gate a thousand times. Still gotta wait till the next day. Think you're lucky? Click the gate some more.... still gotta wait till the next day.

I also have to point out ppl with better skill/play smarter in FFXI do make gil a lot faster. For example, selling delve2 win when it was hard and worth 15M~20M each clear, or sell legion drop when it was just out when only a few LS can beat it.

That's nothing. I sold a blau dolch for 500 mil one time. I'm the smartest hardest working guy of all time.

Seriously? That's your definition of smart? Splitting 15-20 mil between 15-17 people? You could make more solo.

[Malithar]

Seriously? That's your definition of smart? Splitting 15-20 mil between 15-17 people? You could make more solo.

Pretty smart doing those Delve 2s with a full ally.

[Karbuncle]

Yah, Can clear more Delve II with like, 5-6 people lol x.x;

So its 20mil between 5-6, which is actually a decent penny.

[FrankReynolds]

Yah, Can clear more Delve II with like, 5-6 people lol x.x;

So its 20mil between 5-6, which is actually a decent penny.

People were doing it with 5-6 people before the nerf (Disclaimer: wasn't playing when delve 2 came out)? From what I understood, that wasn't until they nerfed the HP of the mobs.

[Afania]

People were doing it with 5-6 people before the nerf (Disclaimer: wasn't playing when delve 2 came out)? From what I understood, that wasn't until they nerfed the HP of the mobs.

Delve2 was done with 6 man pt.......

Also if you 3 box 3 characters you only split 15M~20M with 2 ppl, that's like 10M+ in 30 min of work. Or play more than 3 char and get gil all by yourself. Before you make an effort to emphasis how smart you are, maybe do a little research when you want to counter other's argument.

Mythic also isn't ein/assault only, there's gil grind as well.

[FrankReynolds]

Delve2 was done with 6 man pt.......

Also if you 3 box 3 characters you only split 15M~20M with 2 ppl, that's like 10M+ in 30 min of work. Or play more than 3 char and get gil all by yourself. Before you make an effort to emphasis how smart you are, maybe do a little research when you want to counter other's argument.

Mythic also isn't ein/assault only, there's gil grind as well.

Yeah, I'm sure that shouting in town for buyers and leveling / gearing the other 2 characters takes no time at all. Even with 6 people it's not as great as you make it out to be and it definitely doesn't sound fun. I'm sure everything in the game would be easy if we just 18 boxed it all.

Still can't accelerate the einherjar / assault stages though and that was the topic of discussion. Not how to make gil. If it were just a matter of buying alex, we wouldn't even be talking about this would we?

[Afania]

Yeah, I'm sure that shouting in town for buyers and leveling / gearing the other 2 characters takes no time at all. Even with 6 people it's not as great as you make it out to be and it definitely doesn't sound fun. I'm sure everything in the game would be easy if we just 18 boxed it all.

Still can't accelerate the einherjar / assault stages though and that was the topic of discussion. Not how to make gil. If it were just a matter of buying alex, we wouldn't even be talking about this would we?

Some ppl have multiple char before delve exist already.

Also not sure why'd you bring "This isn't fun, that isn't fun" in mythic discussion over and over again. Fun is subjective, therefore it's not relevant in a discussion like this.

Or else I can just go "Delve isn't fun, let's get rid of delve", "job change isn't fun, let's get rid of job change system", or "playing 1 character isn't fun because it's more fun to play 3 char at once".....if we want to use subjective POV like "fun" as an argument, then argument won't go anywhere.

I think building a mythic is fun, if you change the requirement it won't be fun anymore, duh.

[FrankReynolds]

Some ppl have multiple char before delve exist already.

Also not sure why'd you bring "This isn't fun, that isn't fun" in mythic discussion over and over again. Fun is subjective, therefore it's not relevant in a discussion like this.

Or else I can just go "Delve isn't fun, let's get rid of delve", "job change isn't fun, let's get rid of job change system", or "playing 1 character isn't fun because it's more fun to play 3 char at once".....if we want to use subjective POV like "fun" as an argument, then argument won't go anywhere.

I think building a mythic is fun, if you change the requirement it won't be fun anymore, duh.

Except that I'm talking about changing the requirements, not the content. The content would be just as "Fun" as it was before the change.

[Jake]

Clearly "The development team has no plans to..." do anything about the rampant cheating ruining this game.