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    Quote Originally Posted by Balloon View Post
    Unfortunately, there isn't much more to say about the OPs topic. We've gotten a couple more 'I checked; there's no plans.' Some attempts at some more indepth answers. There's not anything to say about it, and if it weren't in this thread it'd just be in another.
    Oh I know, but at least those threads normally started talking about something closely related to mythics. This thread tried to become a comic relief thread about the many ways the dev can say they have no plans. Yes I have already slapped my self for replying to Camiie's post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    Well you got me there.
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    very simply put, the amount of effort a whole group of people needed to put in to making one weapon for one person whom most of the time (and I swear this happened every time) would stop playing shortly after obtaining said weapon was appalling.
    I am aware that we play a MMO, and it is mean to be a social game, but at no point should it take 18 people three years to make 1 weapon ... that was absolutely ridiculous. Mythics, well that is the current crux of many situations. Currently 5 assaults and ~3 good runs of Nyzul stand between me and my first mythic. I had been saving Alex for sense I can remember, squirreling it away on mules for the better part of a decade. Then the changes came, I could now do Salvage alone, other people could do it alone, I could do Dyna every day alone and get currency to sell to buy Alex! it is awesome. Now server population is in decline, and I think to myself, would I be upset if they made R/M/E even easier to obtain... and I say NO SELF! of course not! because look at all those weapons you thought you would never make you can now make! Arguing over how rare weapons should be, I have this to say. If someone is dedicated enough to the this game they should not have to rely on more than a handful of close friends to help them accomplish anything. The time of 18 man content has passed, now it is about 6 man, or even scaling content. I am all for this. I am also all for creating new versions of old weapons, and now that we have iLvL you can best imagine that you will see things outdated faster than ever. this is not longer Tanaka's sidegrade haven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    I can never understand why wouldn't you like gears being too rare in a MMORPG. If you think it's too much grind, just don't grind them. Why do you need to dislike that fact?
    I can never understand why you like gears being so rare in a MMORPG. If you think it's too easy, just don't obtain them. Why do you need to like that fact?

    Reversed to prove your comment carries no weight. However, logically speaking, it makes a lot more sense to be unhappy about items that exist that you won't be able to obtain, rather than being happy things exist that you cannot obtain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selindrile View Post
    I can never understand why you like gears being so rare in a MMORPG. If you think it's too easy, just don't obtain them. Why do you need to like that fact?

    Reversed to prove your comment carries no weight. However, logically speaking, it makes a lot more sense to be unhappy about items that exist that you won't be able to obtain, rather than being happy things exist that you cannot obtain.
    It makes a lot more sense to give more reward for ppl that spend more time/effort, in game or irl. It also makes a lot more sense not to be unhappy if someone spent more time/effort got more reward*.....fixed for you. IMO it wouldn't make any sense if someone work 5hr a week being unhappy about his income lower than another individual work 40hr a week.

    So if someone can't afford a Ferrari or something expensive irl, they'd feel unhappy too? By your logic 99% of the population on earth would be unhappy because they can't afford a Ferrari. But that's not true at all, most ppl aren't unhappy with their life without owning a Ferrari......because they knew they probably don't deserve one.

    I think rare gear/Ferrari should exist, because I think ppl who put their effort into making money irl or playing the game should be rewarded with their accomplishment. If every casual can own a rare gear in MMO, or every lazy individual can own a Ferrari irl, there won't be any incentive to move forward and work hard, thus taking most of the excitement in life/game away.

    Ppl who played a video game hard should be rewarded with a rare gear different from everyone else, ppl who worked hard in real life should be rewarded with a rare show off item like Ferrari. Nothing wrong with that. If you feel unhappy that someone else gets better stuff, maybe you need to adjust your POV about life lol.....there are always someone that gets better stuff cuz they worked harder/luckier, irl or in game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    It makes a lot more sense to give more reward for ppl that spend more time/effort, in game or irl. It also makes a lot more sense not to be unhappy if someone spent more time/effort got more reward*.....fixed for you. IMO it wouldn't make any sense if someone work 5hr a week being unhappy about his income lower than another individual work 40hr a week.

    So if someone can't afford a Ferrari or something expensive irl, they'd feel unhappy too? By your logic 99% of the population on earth would be unhappy because they can't afford a Ferrari. But that's not true at all, most ppl aren't unhappy with their life without owning a Ferrari......because they knew they probably don't deserve one.

    I think rare gear/Ferrari should exist, because I think ppl who put their effort into making money irl or playing the game should be rewarded with their accomplishment. If every casual can own a rare gear in MMO, or every lazy individual can own a Ferrari irl, there won't be any incentive to move forward and work hard, thus taking most of the excitement in life/game away.

    Ppl who played a video game hard should be rewarded with a rare gear different from everyone else, ppl who worked hard in real life should be rewarded with a rare show off item like Ferrari. Nothing wrong with that. If you feel unhappy that someone else gets better stuff, maybe you need to adjust your POV about life lol.....there are always someone that gets better stuff cuz they worked harder/luckier, irl or in game.
    I have better skills than you. I do make as much in 5 hours a week as you make in 40. Your analogy is terrible.

    This grind pays strictly based on attendance. Not how hard you work or how good you are. If you want to be rewarded for effort, make an effort to play better. Not an effort to just show up more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    I have better skills than you. I do make as much in 5 hours a week as you make in 40. Your analogy is terrible.

    This grind pays strictly based on attendance. Not how hard you work or how good you are. If you want to be rewarded for effort, make an effort to play better. Not an effort to just show up more.

    Not sure what's so terrible about this example, better skill to make more money is equal to more effort and it should be rewarded. Effort isn't necessary the amount of time you spend, but also how smart/talented you are, how hard you work, and how lucky you are.

    I also have to point out ppl with better skill/play smarter in FFXI do make gil a lot faster. For example, selling delve2 win when it was hard and worth 15M~20M each clear, or sell legion drop when it was just out when only a few LS can beat it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lithera View Post
    What about people who have a job that doesn't allow them to own a Ferrari, but they won enough money from like a game show or actually won the lotto.
    Luck is part of a skill, we all know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    Not sure what's so terrible about this example, better skill to make more money is equal to more effort and it should be rewarded. Effort isn't necessary the amount of time you spend, but also how smart/talented you are, how hard you work, and how lucky you are.
    Show me how smart and skilled you are. Go do einherjar 5 times a day. You can't. Clear it faster than me because you're better. Still gotta wait til the next day. Try harder. Put in more effort..... Still gotta wait till the next day. Show your talent. click the gate a thousand times. Still gotta wait till the next day. Think you're lucky? Click the gate some more.... still gotta wait till the next day.


    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    I also have to point out ppl with better skill/play smarter in FFXI do make gil a lot faster. For example, selling delve2 win when it was hard and worth 15M~20M each clear, or sell legion drop when it was just out when only a few LS can beat it.
    That's nothing. I sold a blau dolch for 500 mil one time. I'm the smartest hardest working guy of all time.

    Seriously? That's your definition of smart? Splitting 15-20 mil between 15-17 people? You could make more solo.
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