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[Afania]

That's right. nobody does those events because no item. So stop pretending that you need long content to give you something to do when really you just want an item and you want that item to take a long time to get so that other people don't have that item.

You aren't in it for the content. You are in it for the item. You aren't fighting the noble fight to keep people interested and keep the game alive. You're fighting to keep your item exclusive.

Some video game design fundamental 101 for you:

I never say anything about I or other players are playing this game for the content but not the reward, I only said I(or most of the MMO players) do the content for items, that's how video game design works, not sure why'd you turn it into "wanting to feeling special".

Game design is always about setting a goal then put obstacles for the players to overcome to accomplish that goal. A game needs BOTH the content/obstacle AND goals to be a game. Whether the game is FFXI or Angry Birds. A game with no goal but just the content isn't a game.

So I'm not sure why are you asking me to do the content without goals. If the game designer wants the player to do the content, it needs reward/goals, that's how the games work. This has nothing to do with myself being "noble" or not. I'm just doing the same thing as every other video game player would do.....which is to play a game for the reward/goal. An item/reward is just there for the ppl to do it.

You can keep playing the irrelevant "you just want items to be exclusive" card over and over again, without grasping the most fundamental video game player mentality. Even if I go do the content for no reward cuz I'm out of my mind, 99% of players wouldn't do the content without reward.

To summarize for you since you fail to understand repeatly:

1) A game needs reward/goal if you want ppl to play.....nobody would do ein/assault if they can't get mythic from it. Nobody would pay a monthly sub if they log on and find no goal to aim for. Game design fundamental 101.

2) Current content goal isn't' long enough to keep most players around for more than 3 months without JP grind/RME grind/afterglow.

3) Faster mythic= everyone run out of goals faster.

4) Everyone run out of goals faster = population decline faster.

Now if you still want to play the same "you want exclusive items!" repeatly, I won't bother to reply. By your logic anyone playing a video game wants to be special.....if you play Tetris you want to be special cuz you're aiming for high score!

I could say the same thing about the content. It isn't like you can't continue to farm nyzul isle, salvage and einherjar for all eternity after you've built your weapon. Just because it takes less time doesn't mean you can't do it. You just choose not to do it. You have nobody to blame but yourself.

This is incorrect, there are no decision making involved if reward/goal doesn't exist.

Decision making= make a choice to decide which goal to aim for. There are many goals in this game for you to choose what to go after. I can choose to grind a delve weapon, or grind a mythic. In your case, you choose not to grind a mythic, but go after delve weapon.

Now if ein/assault doesn't offer a mythic, then the only choice left is to grind a delve weapon. Because doing ein/assault is automatically out of the choice list without a goal.

It's not that players choose which content to do in this game, instead players choose which goal to do. A content with no goal wouldn't even be on the list of choice.

I don't want afterglow because the quest is ridiculous and not fun in the slightest. I railed against it before they even put it in the game.

This is a game, not a job. There is nothing wrong about wanting the achievements to be fun.

I didn't ask the Mythic to stay tedious, I only ask mythic to require certain time investment so players don't run out of goals fast. I don't mind they change the mythic requirement into current hard/fun content, as long as it still requires same amount of time to obtain.

There's nothing wrong about wanting to the achievement to be fun or challenging, but there's something wrong about wanting the achievement to come faster.

Since you continue to play the "you wanna be special" card on me, I'm going to play the "you just want fast achievement" card on you as well.

There is no such thing as a normal name. You're seriously grasping here.

Hey, you could have name yourself "Jack" or something.

[Demonjustin]

There's nothing wrong about wanting to the achievement to be fun or challenging, but there's something wrong about wanting the achievement to come faster.

There is nothing wrong with asking for an achievement to take less than 4~6 months.

[Afania]

There is nothing wrong with asking for an achievement to take less than 4~6 months.

There are plenty of achievements that take less than 4~6 months in FFXI. If you dont' like 4~6 months goal choose another goal.

Also it's cheaper/faster to design a content/goal that takes 4~6 months and rely on less version update to keep the game alive. If every goal only need 1 month to accomplish, the dev would have to release content a lot faster than it currently is to keep players playing for more than 4~6 months.

[Aeron]

There are plenty of achievements that take less than 4~6 months in FFXI. If you dont' like 4~6 months goal choose another goal.

Also it's cheaper/faster to design a content/goal that takes 4~6 months and rely on less version update to keep the game alive. If every goal only need 1 month to accomplish, the dev would have to release content a lot faster than it currently is to keep players playing for more than 4~6 months.

You beat me with this reply, was going to say the same thing. I think its unfair for casual players to ask SE to basically design all content with the idea that its instantly obtainable for them to get it, that is to say with the idea that it could be obtainable in a short amount of time with not a lot of effort required. Also im not suggesting that SE make content that is completely out of reach for all but the super elite players its just that if you want content that would take 4~6 months of steady game play to acquire you need to consider that you aren't a casual player at that point and would have to be considered semi hardcore if that makes any sense.

Long and short of the matter is if you want the best gear you need to put in your best effort.

[Demonjustin]

I completed all short term and the few mid-term goals, I have no want to spend that much time for a long term goal, I guess I should quit? That's a much better answer than shortening the time on the long terms when they take outrageous amounts of time longer than anything else in the game.

[Afania]

I completed all short term and the few mid-term goals, I have no want to spend that much time for a long term goal, I guess I should quit? That's a much better answer than shortening the time on the long terms when they take outrageous amounts of time longer than anything else in the game.

That's because you're already done with more obtainable long term goal relic......relics are a lot more reasonable to obtain than mythics.

That doesn't mean this game is mythic lv of goals only, it's just that you're done with it.

[detlef]

I completed all short term and the few mid-term goals, I have no want to spend that much time for a long term goal, I guess I should quit? That's a much better answer than shortening the time on the long terms when they take outrageous amounts of time longer than anything else in the game.

Is it really outrageous? The reward is obviously awesome: A best-in-slot weapon for your favorite job that is guaranteed to remain relevant for the life of the game. And you're not willing to put months of work into that? We're not talking years, even you described the process as 4-6 months a few posts earlier. It's not impossible or even improbable for someone like you.

[Demonjustin]

Is it really outrageous? The reward is obviously awesome: A best-in-slot weapon for your favorite job that is guaranteed to remain relevant for the life of the game. And you're not willing to put months of work into that? We're not talking years, even you described the process as 4-6 months a few posts earlier. It's not impossible or even improbable for someone like you.

I do consider it outrageous, yes.

Over the last two years I've worked on my Mythic in my spare time when I had no events and was able to get on and just do it. The first year was pre-Adoulin when about the only thing I could do was Assaults dualboxing with my GF when she was able to log in and even then I often needed friends. Also at that time I was often trying for Nyzul gear for a friend's character who I've been taking through assaults with us as well which slowed and hindered my progress. In the end, year one got me basically nothing done except Ichor from an EG LS I was in at the time who did Ein II on a weekly basis.

Once Adoulin came out I started doing Salvage and my speed in Assault got quite a bit better so I could solo most thanks to the damage even if I had to triplebox, I didn't need NNI anymore but didn't do Ein II anymore so ups and downs, and that's about everything I could do at the start of the year. I worked on it in my spare time but with constant attempts at Delve, Skirmish, and so on, as well as working on three different characters at once for gear due to being the jobless one of my little trio I simply didn't get much done that amounted to anything and often times simply forgot it. It felt like working on it in my spare time wasn't getting me anywhere.

About two months ago my time freed up, I looked at my character and determined I had basically everything outside of my Murgleis, Mandau, perfect augments, and a few pieces from fights no one actually does like the Ouryu body. As a result I devoted the last two months of my time to working on my Mythic, I hit captain around the same time I started this thankfully so it was just a matter of doing assaults. Looking at my spreadsheet I have 79% of my Assaults done, 35.71% of my Tokens, 55.72% of my Ichor, and 78.40% of my Alexandrite. I've worked on this two years, over the last two months I've focused almost exclusively on it, even after my Assaults which will take me another three weeks I'll need tokens which will take at least another week or two I'm sure. That's not counting Ichor which if I do T3 to competition every day would take me around a month I think. Then you have the Alex which would take me a couple of weeks unless I burn through it by doing triple Dyna & Salvage. Einherjar and Assaults alone would take about a hour, daily Dynamis and Salvage would take another 3 hours, so to finish this I'd have to spend about a month of my life spending 4 hours a day working on this sword and nothing else. I'm 74.80% done with my Mythic, 62.2% if you count the things I said above, Assaults are the most forced time taking generally and I have almost all of that done thankfully but still, it's going to take me more than a month even with how much I have done already, no.

Honestly, I play this game to have fun, enjoy it. The reason I'm not playin right now, I have no reason to. My friends have all basically left and what content there is to do isn't fun, it's boring. I'm trying to make my sword, it's the last goal I want to finish in this game honestly because making my Mythic did hold some meaning to me once, but after the last two months of trying to just finish it up so I could be done with it, I don't care anymore, it's not worth the work.

[Malithar]

I do consider it outrageous, yes.

Over the last two years I've worked on my Mythic in my spare time when I had no events and was able to get on and just do it. The first year was pre-Adoulin when about the only thing I could do was Assaults dualboxing with my GF when she was able to log in and even then I often needed friends. Also at that time I was often trying for Nyzul gear for a friend's character who I've been taking through assaults with us as well which slowed and hindered my progress. In the end, year one got me basically nothing done except Ichor from an EG LS I was in at the time who did Ein II on a weekly basis.

Once Adoulin came out I started doing Salvage and my speed in Assault got quite a bit better so I could solo most thanks to the damage even if I had to triplebox, I didn't need NNI anymore but didn't do Ein II anymore so ups and downs, and that's about everything I could do at the start of the year. I worked on it in my spare time but with constant attempts at Delve, Skirmish, and so on, as well as working on three different characters at once for gear due to being the jobless one of my little trio I simply didn't get much done that amounted to anything and often times simply forgot it. It felt like working on it in my spare time wasn't getting me anywhere.

About two months ago my time freed up, I looked at my character and determined I had basically everything outside of my Murgleis, Mandau, perfect augments, and a few pieces from fights no one actually does like the Ouryu body. As a result I devoted the last two months of my time to working on my Mythic, I hit captain around the same time I started this thankfully so it was just a matter of doing assaults. Looking at my spreadsheet I have 79% of my Assaults done, 35.71% of my Tokens, 55.72% of my Ichor, and 78.40% of my Alexandrite. I've worked on this two years, over the last two months I've focused almost exclusively on it, even after my Assaults which will take me another three weeks I'll need tokens which will take at least another week or two I'm sure. That's not counting Ichor which if I do T3 to competition every day would take me around a month I think. Then you have the Alex which would take me a couple of weeks unless I burn through it by doing triple Dyna & Salvage. Einherjar and Assaults alone would take about a hour, daily Dynamis and Salvage would take another 3 hours, so to finish this I'd have to spend about a month of my life spending 4 hours a day working on this sword and nothing else. I'm 74.80% done with my Mythic, 62.2% if you count the things I said above, Assaults are the most forced time taking generally and I have almost all of that done thankfully but still, it's going to take me more than a month even with how much I have done already, no.

Honestly, I play this game to have fun, enjoy it. The reason I'm not playin right now, I have no reason to. My friends have all basically left and what content there is to do isn't fun, it's boring. I'm trying to make my sword, it's the last goal I want to finish in this game honestly because making my Mythic did hold some meaning to me once, but after the last two months of trying to just finish it up so I could be done with it, I don't care anymore, it's not worth the work.

Considering you've bothered to math out your progress, I find it more outrageous that you've used those two years that badly. I'm confused why you wouldn't at the very least start on assaults early into the progress, rather than obtain captain just two months ago. You may as well be saying you started on your mythic 5 years ago tbh, as it sounds like you've only made any meaningful progress within the past 2ish months.

If it no longer feels like it's worth the work for you, than that's your prerogative. But what work is needed for it amounts to a few hours a day for a couple of months and a pile of gil. If your "work" on it was focused, you'd be done. Not trying to poke fun at Rdm, but maybe if Murg wasn't so underwhelming of a Mythic, you'd feel differently, idk.

[Demonjustin]

The problem is though that focusing on it is why I don't play right now. I can't focus on something that makes me feel like I'm not getting anywhere with it in any meaningful amount of time or that is simply that boring to me. As I explained in another thread, I often times use short term goals to help me continue with my long term goals, a sort of boost that helps motivate me through my work on the long term goals so I can complete them. If it weren't for that my Excalibur would've never been finished because after the first three stages that weapon was nearly dropped due to being during the VW age when I was losing speed thanks to unrewarding luck content like I am now. The only reason I actually finished Excalibur was thanks to the fact a friend got me in a ADL LS where I was making gil for basically casting sleepga every minute and a half and using chainspell stun once or twice a run.

The reason why my progress over the two years wasn't even enough to hit captain was due to many fails at Assaults that I just couldn't complete alone and the fact the progress rate was disheartening. I felt like even if I took the time to do Assaults it was a drop in the ocean so why bother, wasting a ton of tags by not even using them on top of my failures. I won't say my work on my Mythic was amazing over the two years, but it was work I put in on it in my spare time, and that's one of the things I hate about making a Mythic, in your spare time you can't really make one. It takes a lot of focus on a Mythic to make one, and while I have no problem with that it's the fact of how long that focus must be had that is a problem to me. It's just my opinion on Mythics, sadly though I think I'm going to end up quitting soon as this is unlikely to change and the rest of the game in general just isn't keeping my interest at this point.