So when will we get rem instrument and shield upgrades...

[dasva]

Awhile back we were told that the reason we weren't going to get any upgrades for shield or instruments was because they would remain supreme... priwen already beats ochain anytime you can keep reprisal up


and this


beats relic horn....

So since it's clear you aren't going to keep those rems as best when are they getting the ilvl treatment?

[Olor]

That +3 looks shopped to me look how close the + is to the number... but I certainly would love it if it wasn't - would increase my inventory space significantly. Ghorn still has a lot going for it, I'm pretty biased but I don't see the problem here.

[Balloon]

I'd really love it not to be, Ghorn still has combined 50 skill and CHR. They've stated at the release of Adoulin that they wanted REM to be.. not outclassed, but less important. This would be a step towards that.

I hope that the combined tantrum of all the ghorn bards doesn't ruin it.

[Mizuno]

Awhile back we were told that the reason we weren't going to get any upgrades for shield or instruments was because they would remain supreme... priwen already beats ochain anytime you can keep reprisal up


and this


beats relic horn....

So since it's clear you aren't going to keep those rems as best when are they getting the ilvl treatment?

How does +3 beat +4? (On 99 horn)

[Balloon]

It has a base of +1, then +3.

[Mizuno]

Ah, I only saw the augment, didn't know it came with a native.

[Selindrile]

+4 to all and occasional cast is not really better than +4 and a crapton of Macc, (which is essentially what you get for all the skill and +Chr on Ghorn right?)

For buffs onry, it's the teensiest bit better, I suppose... but, any time you want to do a debuff at least, Gjaller wrecks that one.

I totally support items like this that are very close to REM but not quite there, I love it.

[Balloon]

But it's not better. It's equal to in certain situations, a lot worse in others.

If you made your ghorn pre adoulin, then you should have expected that it one day be usurped... if you created it after.. It's not hard to farm for relics anymore. This just allows more casual bards to be able to do more content, and allows them to create content that aims for a +4 song bard (IE: More difficult). It's a win win. Plus... You have no idea how rare that augment is. It could be that you have to spam for weeks just to get the stones capable of getting that augment. Or spam a lot of money to get it.

Sort of like how you create a Ghorn.

[Karbuncle]

Personally, it looks shopped. A picture popped up of All Songs +2 and Occasionally Quickens Spellcasting + something... seems like someone just played switch-o with the numbers.

However on the chance it is real, I don't find it a bad thing. Means less of a wait looking for a good BRD in shout.

[Aeron]

Its not really that its equal that is upsetting its the whole idea that its a drop item that bugs me the most. If they had kept the chain going on the skirmish 4 wpns where you needed the +2 version to get the new ones then I could understand because there would be a clear case of effort/time ratio involved.

Really the only case I can point to so far would be the instrument though tbh and like other ppl have said it looks shopped. The new shield is in no way better then ochain or aegis and I haven't seen in omg augments yet so who knows.