Dragon Jug Pets

[WoW]

On the BG dev tracker discussion, someone stated that SE should add a puk jug, which got me thinking, will SE ever allow bst to obtain dragon type jugs? Dragons are wild beast, as opposed to undead, bombs, gargoyles. Puks are indeed charmable; but they are dragon type mobs. Bst could gain sam's circle effect iirc. However, these effects are available at 5, hence you could sub them np. They are not exclusive JAs or traits iirc, actually, blu can gain animal killer traits and a plethora of gear has killer traits on them (Not circle effects though). This may be far-fetched, but these monsters are indeed beast; several foes have managed to tame dragons type mobs, notably the bst mobs in dyna xarcabard.

A puk jug would have some utility, such as being able to regain tp (Bleh, ready meter XD) and absorbing wind damage. Zephyr mantle is an extremely useful ability and Wind shear would be pretty convenient for salvage farming. However, puks moves are pretty sub-par dmg wise. Personally, I would not be too thrilled if a puk were announced.

They already made a dragon type mob charmable (puks), hence opened the door for speculation. Some bst are asking for a puk jug and rightly so, they are charmable mobs.

Also, SE is also notorious for implementing un-charmble monsters in jug form. A naul jug with spike flail would be awesome, perhaps the ultimate dd jug. Nice jug in a crowd of mobs or for dd purposes in general. I would prefer one of these or a wild Ajattara as opposed to a puk.

I am strictly referring to wild dragons, not their domesticated counterparts. Dragoon wyverns are able to heal and are used for utility purposes/breathe attacks with some DoT in between; not a true stand alone dd iirc. Wild dragons are more bst/jug material imo. As a bst, Jug dps is highly important. Bst are not on the same lvl of a dragoon as it pertains to dps (the master). Drgs are not true pet jobs per-se, as it pertains to controlling the pets every move.

So whats the deal with dragons? Well, SE mentioned there are still deliberating possible candidates for jug pets; I would like to make a case for dragons. 1) There is a charmable mob from the family; obviously there is a possibility. 2) wyrm, Ajattara, and puks are fairly common. they are not legendary mobs per-se, aka bahamut. There are plenty of dragons in abyssea (Nauls are just normal mobs), puks are everywhere, and ajattara are also extremely common. 3) Dragoons should have no beef; these are wild animals; bst have no bonds with these creatures. Ajattara are known as wyvern's (drg) wild counterparts. 4) Why not? Hyra and Zilant should be off limits; there are several birds, lizard, beast, and plantoids whom are non-jug material; notably the nakuuls. However, these dragons are not part of any storyline/special content; just run of the mill monsters any adventurer can encounter by entering abyssea or other zones.

When the word wyrm comes up, bst and players alike my gasp/shake their heads at the notion of them being implemented in jug form due to the fafnir and vrtras of the world. However, when you sit back and observe the run of the mill wyrm (Naul), it is not so far-fetched imo.

I don't see why dragons could not be implemented as pets; the only controversial aspect is the killer traits, but those are so common now and days. Irrc, Blu has ours. The only thing that may change is killer instinct, it will now work on kindred esque mobs (Dragons get this, right?) with a dragon jug, not a big deal imo. Players can sub it at lvl5. There were times were I triggered a random non-bst intimidation effect on bst, but had no clue what triggered it.

[Mitruya]

I would not be opposed to a puk jug, however do you recall a thread or two clamoring for bigger DRG wyverns? I think that would make DRGs upset, because we really want to be like Achtelle and have a bigger pet. (and you know, one that actually stays alive and is useful...)
It'd be pretty cool actually for BSTs to get some big jugs along the lines of the turtle, say a scorpion or roc or wivre or whatever else has been suggested.
But a dragon, wyrm or wyvern? Nooooo ;P We are the dragon-master, not BSTs.
A puk jug wouldn't bother me though, personally.

ETA: I'm one clear away from getting into Dyna-Xarc so I'm not familiar with those mobs. I just looked them up on BGwiki and see that some of them are listed as BSTs. That's interesting.

[Malthar]

The bst's have wyvern pets.

[Mitruya]

Yeah, I'd never seen them before so it was the first I'd heard of it.

[Karbuncle]

BST usually cannot charm "Intelligent" enemies. Enemies with brain power a step above primal instinct, there are some exceptions to be gleaned from this, such as Arcana type mobs, and certain "Large" variants, such as Rocs. That said, an actual Wyrm, even a Mini like Nauls, would likely be impossible. I have a thread around here about an idea on how to make Uncharmable mobs a Jug, it involved Raising them in a "Chocobo Raising" sort of way, allowing you to register them as a special pet you could summon forth during your 2 hour (to no obsolete regular jugs).

They could just throw the pattern to the wind of course and make a Naul pet... but anyway, on point, Puks are charmable presumably because they do not possess the intelligence of Wyrms, despite being dragons, could be seen as a Jug pet with no broken lore.

[WoW]

BST usually cannot charm "Intelligent" enemies. Enemies with brain power a step above primal instinct, there are some exceptions to be gleaned from this, such as Arcana type mobs, and certain "Large" variants, such as Rocs. That said, an actual Wyrm, even a Mini like Nauls, would likely be impossible. I have a thread around here about an idea on how to make Uncharmable mobs a Jug, it involved Raising them in a "Chocobo Raising" sort of way, allowing you to register them as a special pet you could summon forth during your 2 hour (to no obsolete regular jugs).

They could just throw the pattern to the wind of course and make a Naul pet... but anyway, on point, Puks are charmable presumably because they do not possess the intelligence of Wyrms, despite being dragons, could be seen as a Jug pet with no broken lore.

I did not say charm; puks are also intelligent and able to understand human language. There are a plethora of uncharmable mobs that are in jug form. Intelligence is irrelevant; we are not charming them, but rather, recruiting them. Griffins are majestic animals, but bst can call upon a hippo to aid them in battle. We are not manipulating them, but using a method to call upon the monster to help us. Jugs are like pop triggers, you use the contents to attract a powerful/unique entities.

Also, lore would not be broken because kindred beastmasters have tamed wild dragons while their dragoon counterparts have smaller wyverns. nauls are not part of any special lore, they are normal monsters; what lore are you referring to? I am not talking about bahamut.

Bst cannot charm hippos, turtles, or tulfaire, but they are pets. Yes dragons are smart, but we are simply calling upon them with a jug, akin to how nighogg is called upon with sweet tea.

There was a time when only few turtles roamed vanadiel, in sky and valley of sorrows; these were legendary mobs, but later, were implemented as jugs. No lore would be broken if a bst called upon a wyrm or Ajattara jug. ToA beastmen have recruited hydra and tamed cerberus; also, the lore is already broken then because kindred in dyna have ajattara pets while the dragoons have smaller wyverns. Dragons are beast, intelligent or not, puks are capable of understanding human speech, hence are intelligent as well.

[Karbuncle]

I did not say charm; puks are also intelligent and able to understand human language. There are a plethora of uncharmable mobs that are in jug form. Intelligence is irrelevant; we are not charming them, but rather, recruiting them. Griffins are majestic animals, but bst can call upon a hippo to aid them in battle. We are not manipulating them, but using a method to call upon the monster to help us. Jugs are like pop triggers, you use the contents to attract a powerful/unique entities.

Charm and BST jugs go almost entirely hand and hand with some small exceptions as you've mentioned. If you can't see the parallels between charm and jug pets the continuity of this discussion is moot. Also, I wasn't saying what you're asking for is impossible, simply that as a general thought process, BSTs can rarely charm "Large" or "Intelligent" Pets, some jugs being an exception. Beastmen have been an exception as they can do many things players can't... such as Multiple summons (avatars), and so forth, they seem to posses the ability to go beyond what we can, this is as you've plainly stated they've charmed Cerberus/Hydra, and Kindred are thralls/servants of Odin, I imagine thats why they can charm Wyverns.

Asking for a full blown Wyvern/Wyrm might be a little much, but Puks are possible, which is more or less what I said in my last post.

1) Naul (Spike flail^^ Also, dragon breath can still hit players 1k dmg with lvlgear)
2) Wivre (Boiling blood and crippling slam)
3) Scorpion (Sharp strike, death scissors)
4) Craklaw (Sundering Snip, Impenetrable Carapace)
5) Mantid (Preying Posture, Raptorial Claw, Exorender)

Pets with directional based TP moves, like spike Flail, etc will probably be hard to implement, which is why we as players didn't get any "Flail" type moves in Monstrosity. Though IDK why we haven't seen a Scorpion pet yet :I

[WoW]

I would not be opposed to a puk jug, however do you recall a thread or two clamoring for bigger DRG wyverns? I think that would make DRGs upset, because we really want to be like Achtelle and have a bigger pet. (and you know, one that actually stays alive and is useful...)
It'd be pretty cool actually for BSTs to get some big jugs along the lines of the turtle, say a scorpion or roc or wivre or whatever else has been suggested.
But a dragon, wyrm or wyvern? Nooooo ;P We are the dragon-master, not BSTs.
A puk jug wouldn't bother me though, personally.

ETA: I'm one clear away from getting into Dyna-Xarc so I'm not familiar with those mobs. I just looked them up on BGwiki and see that some of them are listed as BSTs. That's interesting.

Question though, how would drg function with a wild wyvern? I thought their pacts were with the domesticated one? Also, what about healing breathes and what not; with wild wyverns, the entire concept of pet wyverns would change.

Dragoons are masters of the lance; to my knowledge, the only dragoon whom used dragons were the highwinds. Iirc, this was a discussion in the XIV forums; pertaining to dragoon with a pet.

Beastmasters are masters of the nature; befriended beast. Several mobs of the dragon family are natural. Also, drg is not a pet job per-se; giving them a damaging pet while the true masters of monsters receive rabbits and grasshoppers would burn my biscuits personally. The majority of dragoons in the pet forums were asking for dragoon boost, not a bigger wyvern.

Also, bst are already able to control and tame intelligent dragons. http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Category:Puks. These mobs are thought to be produced by human beings (Artificial), but nonetheless, they are charmable intelligent entities.

[Olor]

I kind of want a Twitherym jug even though WoW will hate the idea cause they aren't a very strong DD mob. They can be charmed though and they look super cute.

ON TOPIC: I'd love a puk jug

Really though I'd prefer if they just uncapped the jugs we had and changed BST affinity to something useful rather than an excuse to gimp us.

[WoW]

I kind of want a Twitherym jug even though WoW will hate the idea cause they aren't a very strong DD mob. They can be charmed though and they look super cute.

ON TOPIC: I'd love a puk jug

Really though I'd prefer if they just uncapped the jugs we had and changed BST affinity to something useful rather than an excuse to gimp us.

I am on record for saying a bst skillchain; each merit and gloves increase the damage by a small percentage; 2%.

But yea, lol, I have a dd pet only mentality, lol. I would not mind a butterfly, tempestuous upheaval could be awesome in a crowd. However, I would prefer if they added a few dd oriented pets as well. I truly believe a jug's dd potential is the most important factor when implementing jugs. Big numbers will get us into pts, ask those sams and rngs^^ A naul, scorp, and wivre with their beneficial abilities intact would blow most bst's mind if we ever got these in jug form.

My hierarchy of dd jugs would look something like this; top 5 imo.

1) Naul (Spike flail^^ Also, dragon breath can still hit players 1k dmg with lvlgear)
2) Wivre (Boiling blood and crippling slam)
3) Scorpion (Sharp strike, death scissors)
4) Craklaw (Sundering Snip, Impenetrable Carapace)
5) Mantid (Preying Posture, Raptorial Claw, Exorender)

All dragons not named Hyra or Zilant are indeed implementable imo. I am not buying the lore/unimplementable statements. SE alluded to allowing sky mobs as possible jugs. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post191859. They even mentioned the possibility of adding flans, but needed time to make the background story fit.

As it pertains to Wyrms, the storyline could be quite simple. Firstly, an addition of an item, similar to honey wine, but a jug content. Wyrms appear to like fine beverages "shrugs" Perhaps a dessert wine or something. Allow cooks to obtain this drink, which is essentially jug contents. Ingredients; royal grapes, white honey, dragon fruit, olive flower, a new type of harvested item only found in grauberg (S), where wyverns and a wyrm are known to live and a water crystal. Combining these items would create Dessert wine, which is a jug; akin to Scarlet sap, which does not read "broth." Cooks and beastmasters managed to communicate with ladybugs whom were thought to be extinct according to the lore, hence wyrms are not impossible to implement imo. This jug is not like other wyrms, he does not fly nor is he one of bahamut's henchman. His loyalty lies with the bst. He is a special entity.

Nauls are extremely powerful; I do not see why they could not be called upon by a bst. We can already charm a mob from that fourth ecosystem anyway. The wyrm would grant us a killer instinct effect to kindred; no biggie really. Blu and bst both have monster correlation and killer effects, hence overlap, it is not a big deal imo.