Request. Please allow trust in abbysea

[Lordkyron]

You answered your own question in bold.





You no longer need your friend/LS's help, you don't want them to help, in return when they need help you'd no longer feel obligated to help. That destroyed the tie between community in this game. You're incredibly short sighted if you can't see this. You really think you enter abyssea and solo doesn't affect other people? Yes it does. Anytime you refuse to ask for help/help others in this game, it's affecting the community as a whole.

FFXI is not what it used to be, and contents become more and more solo/lowman friendly is one major reason, IMO.






Oh, I believe SE will eventually make trust usable in Abyssea too. I just don't like Lordkyron's attitude and opinion. He/she doesn't want to ask for help, and just labelled other ppl's opinion about trust into "you must want to feel special".

OMG how entitled can you be? You don't like my attitude because i don't want to ask for help in a game? REALY?

You must have feel so special when someone asks you for help . Entitled much.
What would happen if square allow trust in abbysea? Will you quit because of that?

FFXI is NOT te mmorpg it once was. The game is diying. TRUSTS are a breath of fresh air. AT LEAST TO ME.
And if my HAPPY gaming and not asking for help makes you find my attitude wrong. THAT is your problem. NOT MINE

[Pixela]

You no longer need your friend/LS's help, you don't want them to help, in return when they need help you'd no longer feel obligated to help. That destroyed the tie between community in this game. You're incredibly short sighted if you can't see this. You really think you enter abyssea and solo doesn't affect other people? Yes it does. Anytime you refuse to ask for help/help others in this game, it's affecting the community as a whole.

FFXI is not what it used to be, and contents become more and more solo/lowman friendly is one major reason, IMO.

Players that can't progress will just quit, the community just is not there anymore. In the past everyone helped everyone else because nobody was above needing help, that is no longer the case. FFXI is not what it was for 2 reasons, decimated dev team and budget (which was never fixed) due to the mass amount of talent drain and money going into XIV development before it was released and massive player loss due to that and a similar FF based MMO title being released. It's the same idiotic idea as Blizzard making WoW 2, they would destroy WoW in the process while taking a gamble on the new title, thankfully they aren't as dense as Square.

Square gambled that we would play both games and they would double their money, in the most part they were wrong.

Not allowing trusts into Aby or Dyna won't make the game better for you, the players that are self sufficent won't group up with others and the players that can't do these things will simply quit. You can't shoehorn a community into a game that no longer has one, nor can you bank on those players sticking with the game anymore.

FFXI servers are deserted, Square refuse to do incredibly needed server merges because they fear the negative PR and refusing to accept that their original idea for running XI and XIV with their players paying for both titles didn't work. Players aren't playing both games, they cannibalized their own customers from paying them a monthly sub for one game and got them to pay a monthly sub on another.

@Zeargi

Thanks but this wasn't about me asking for help personally, it was about a discussion of the state of the game and why things are needed.

[Cailae]

Players that can't progress will just quit, the community just is not there anymore. In the past everyone helped everyone else because nobody was above needing help, that is no longer the case. FFXI is not what it was for 2 reasons, decimated dev team and budget (which was never fixed) due to the mass amount of talent drain and money going into XIV development before it was released and massive player loss due to that and a similar FF based MMO title being released. It's the same idiotic idea as Blizzard making WoW 2, they would destroy WoW in the process while taking a gamble on the new title, thankfully they aren't as dense as Square.

Square gambled that we would play both games and they would double their money, in the most part they were wrong.

Not allowing trusts into Aby or Dyna won't make the game better for you, the players that are self sufficent won't group up with others and the players that can't do these things will simply quit. You can't shoehorn a community into a game that no longer has one, nor can you bank on those players sticking with the game anymore.

FFXI servers are deserted, Square refuse to do incredibly needed server merges because they fear the negative PR and refusing to accept that their original idea for running XI and XIV with their players paying for both titles didn't work. Players aren't playing both games, they cannibalized their own customers from paying them a monthly sub for one game and got them to pay a monthly sub on another.

@Zeargi

Thanks but this wasn't about me asking for help personally, it was about a discussion of the state of the game and why things are needed.

This thread and post hit pretty close to home for me. I played XI up untill 1.23 of XIV when some friend convinced me to try that. I had a lot of fun, I had a network of people that could get things done had the nice Atmas, an Ochain, and a bunch of useful gear for abyssea. When FFXIV went down before 2.0 myself and some friends from XIV started playing again, many from scratch. We had an alright time, but it was also the first time I experienced the "Community." My friends that had played during abyssea were gone. I had a gaggle of new recruits with nothing. So I did what many suggest here. I asked for help. I asked for help on several forums, on several sites. You know what my responses were? It's not that hard, do it yourself. Why should we help a bunch of people that just abandoned the game and probably will again. You can duo it if you just do x y z. All the same stuff I see in here. I learned then in that moment that asking for help will NOT yield appreciable results in this game. If you cannot do it yourself, or are not on a specific job, you will not get it done.

I came back to XI because XIV has lost meaning to me. They are in a loop of content that punishes you for working at the beginning of the cycel and rewards you for waiting until the end. I wanted to give XI one last real shot because I always loved the game. I am once again finding myself with a community that says it's easy if you do just... But I am attempting to do just. I couldn't find a LS or a group that would allow me to do Delve, so I took the Alexandrite I was saving for my Kenkonken and sold it to get a delve win. I've been selling off my Dynamis curency to try and get JSE weapons. It's a long road with road blocks from other players constantly thrown up. I want to enjoy this game, and for the most part the only time I get to enjoy it seems to be by myself.

Letting people use trust in Abyssea would just ease off the noose on players trying to break into the content. I fail to see the problem. The more stuff players can solo, the more likely they are to endure through the extremely insulated community of this game until they finally meet the right people or have that breakthrough into doing the content they want.

[Vold]

This thread and post hit pretty close to home for me. I played XI up untill 1.23 of XIV when some friend convinced me to try that. I had a lot of fun, I had a network of people that could get things done had the nice Atmas, an Ochain, and a bunch of useful gear for abyssea. When FFXIV went down before 2.0 myself and some friends from XIV started playing again, many from scratch. We had an alright time, but it was also the first time I experienced the "Community." My friends that had played during abyssea were gone. I had a gaggle of new recruits with nothing. So I did what many suggest here. I asked for help. I asked for help on several forums, on several sites. You know what my responses were? It's not that hard, do it yourself. Why should we help a bunch of people that just abandoned the game and probably will again. You can duo it if you just do x y z. All the same stuff I see in here. I learned then in that moment that asking for help will NOT yield appreciable results in this game. If you cannot do it yourself, or are not on a specific job, you will not get it done.

I came back to XI because XIV has lost meaning to me. They are in a loop of content that punishes you for working at the beginning of the cycel and rewards you for waiting until the end. I wanted to give XI one last real shot because I always loved the game. I am once again finding myself with a community that says it's easy if you do just... But I am attempting to do just. I couldn't find a LS or a group that would allow me to do Delve, so I took the Alexandrite I was saving for my Kenkonken and sold it to get a delve win. I've been selling off my Dynamis curency to try and get JSE weapons. It's a long road with road blocks from other players constantly thrown up. I want to enjoy this game, and for the most part the only time I get to enjoy it seems to be by myself.

Letting people use trust in Abyssea would just ease off the noose on players trying to break into the content. I fail to see the problem. The more stuff players can solo, the more likely they are to endure through the extremely insulated community of this game until they finally meet the right people or have that breakthrough into doing the content they want.

People are definitely very VERY protective of their own time and space in the world. It's hard for them to sacrifice their time for essentially nothing in return, and those that do aren't necessarily helpful, they might just want to show off their strength to others or themselves on older content. It's hard to be a helpful person. It's possible but it's hard, and that difficulty is multiplied in the virtual world. Even with my offer previously in this thread, I only offered it because I know I can steamroll that content. If we were talking 2010 or 11 or whenever abyssea released, I would not be so quick to help because that content was a bitch back then even with full atma help. To bottom line it: I don't want to make the effort of hours spent to be wasted, meaning we don't succeed and lose and it's a drag on everyone involved.

This is the curse for anyone joining a MMORPG late and said MMORPG isn't casual friendly. The ONLY reason it seems better earlier in the game's lifespan when "it had community that cared" is because people needed the content back then and there's a lot more players to amplify that. When you get to where FFXI is at it is almost a lost cause if not a sure lost cause to try to start this late into the game. It's really easy if you're at the top. Everyone needs everything new done at the top. But at the bottom, playing catch up will suck for the rest of FFXI's days. It's not because people suck. It's because their willingness to help is less noticeable and harder to find because there are less of them around.

[Glamdring]

This thread and post hit pretty close to home for me. I played XI up untill 1.23 of XIV when some friend convinced me to try that. I had a lot of fun, I had a network of people that could get things done had the nice Atmas, an Ochain, and a bunch of useful gear for abyssea. When FFXIV went down before 2.0 myself and some friends from XIV started playing again, many from scratch. We had an alright time, but it was also the first time I experienced the "Community." My friends that had played during abyssea were gone. I had a gaggle of new recruits with nothing. So I did what many suggest here. I asked for help. I asked for help on several forums, on several sites. You know what my responses were? It's not that hard, do it yourself. Why should we help a bunch of people that just abandoned the game and probably will again. You can duo it if you just do x y z. All the same stuff I see in here. I learned then in that moment that asking for help will NOT yield appreciable results in this game. If you cannot do it yourself, or are not on a specific job, you will not get it done.

I came back to XI because XIV has lost meaning to me. They are in a loop of content that punishes you for working at the beginning of the cycel and rewards you for waiting until the end. I wanted to give XI one last real shot because I always loved the game. I am once again finding myself with a community that says it's easy if you do just... But I am attempting to do just. I couldn't find a LS or a group that would allow me to do Delve, so I took the Alexandrite I was saving for my Kenkonken and sold it to get a delve win. I've been selling off my Dynamis curency to try and get JSE weapons. It's a long road with road blocks from other players constantly thrown up. I want to enjoy this game, and for the most part the only time I get to enjoy it seems to be by myself.

Letting people use trust in Abyssea would just ease off the noose on players trying to break into the content. I fail to see the problem. The more stuff players can solo, the more likely they are to endure through the extremely insulated community of this game until they finally meet the right people or have that breakthrough into doing the content they want.

you have a point, telling people to dual-box as an answer to getting things done is like telling them to get a yeast infection to save on baking costs. It's not just the 2nd fee, it's the need for a second device, @ another $several hundred at least. a declining game is NOT worth the cost of buying another console/computer-especially since newer hardware has issues running the antiquated software, especially with video driver compatibility issues-and buying a computer using 2002 tech and operating systems is almost impossible-at least in the US.

[Camate]

Hello,

Currently the development team is prioritizing the use of alter egos for content related to the acquisition requirements for other alter egos, so they do not have any plans at the moment to address alter ego use in Abyssea or Dynamis. However, there is a possibility that they may look into this later, but they expect it will not be for quite some time.

[Lordkyron]

TY for the info.

tbh i'm enjoying my time, with my new char , leveling in old camps with alter egos, and chatting with the ls.
Using trust in abyssea will be a cherry on the nice cake called FFXI

[Camate]

Sorry to necro this thread!

Hello,

Currently the development team is prioritizing the use of alter egos for content related to the acquisition requirements for other alter egos, so they do not have any plans at the moment to address alter ego use in Abyssea or Dynamis. However, there is a possibility that they may look into this later, but they expect it will not be for quite some time.

I can’t give a specific time frame at the moment since we still need to run some tests, but we are in the midst of looking into making it possible to summon alter egos in Abyssea areas. We’ll keep you updated on the progress!

[Pixela]

I actually forgot the main thing when posting on this forum, I fell into the mindset that arguing the point here made any difference. It doesn't, the devs will never read this forum, they only read the JP forum.

Make the thread, the community team will either pass it on or they won't. Trying to win the argument against people that don't want new players to be able to do content or keeping an mmo an mmo (when there are no players doing it) will change nothing.

If you like the argument go at it, it won't make any difference to the dev team since they can't read/speak english and neither side will convince the other...ever. Having said that, most of the people that are against this were also against the other trust additions, they added them anyway so it's obvious which way the dev team is going.

[Zeargi]

I actually forgot the main thing when posting on this forum, I fell into the mindset that arguing the point here made any difference. It doesn't, the devs will never read this forum, they only read the JP forum.

Make the thread, the community team will either pass it on or they won't. Trying to win the argument against people that don't want new players to be able to do content or keeping an mmo an mmo (when there are no players doing it) will change nothing.

If you like the argument go at it, it won't make any difference to the dev team since they can't read/speak english and neither side will convince the other...ever. Having said that, most of the people that are against this were also against the other trust additions, they added them anyway so it's obvious which way the dev team is going.

What is it that you want to do, I will personally help you today after work. I'll be home at 5:00ish PM EST.