Request. Please allow trust in abbysea

[Afania]

OMG KILL RANI buy a BREW!!! YES LIKE 400k cruor are easy to farm SOLO. (and 400k if you finished cop)

Holy shit, why do you insist to solo so much. No one ask you to solo 400k cruor. Ppl mana burn raptor and /shout for VW very often, just join the pt.

What story can't be soloed at this point besides Adoulin(which can probably be soloed as well by now...)?

You actually try to reply what he said seriously lol. To sum up the entire thread:

"I don't want to ask for help, I don't want to try and solo abyssea NM, I think it's too much work to farm 400k cruor for a brew, I don't want to try anything in this game at all. I just want stuff handed to me because I deserve it, if I don't get it I'm gonna cancel sub"


He probably has no real intention to stay in this game to begin with, that's why he wants easy solutions to his problem.

Next time I'm so gonna create 10 accounts and ask dev to hand me REM for free because I'm going to cancel 10 accounts if I don't get what I want, if I cancel 10 accounts, it's bigger $$ lose to SE than lordkyron's 1 account!

[Demonjustin]

Abyssea (without atmas)

Without Atma in general, yes it's not going to be able to be soloed. That said I've already explained how Atma can be obtained by a player without any Atma and thus as a result you could build your way up to the point of fighting and beating the NMs required for the story. If you fail to do this in order to solo it then it's by no fault of the game but rather your own unwillingness to work your way up. It's roughly equal to complaining you can't beat Chains of Promathia because you're in your level 1 JSE and can't be bothered to get some gear to actually fight in. You're fighting in Abyssea with what equates to being naked, get some Atma and work your way up, it's not that hard.

and Adoulin.

With Trust and certain jobs with good gear you can solo Adoulin missions so far as I know. Either way Adoulin shouldn't be able to be soloed yet because it's still coming out and to make the story challenging at all it has to start out as content meant for players with the current highest level of gear or at least moderate levels of gear. If you're expecting to be able to solo the newest expansion with the highest level of enemies which isn't even finished yet, then I simply don't know what to tell you besides you're expecting far too easy a game here.

[Demonjustin]

You actually try to reply what he said seriously lol.

Replying seriously is the only way to potentially advance a conversation. Replying in a way that antagonizes them will lead to a pointless conversation over nothing, ignoring any conversation that could possibly be had in the mean time. While we could all be wasting our time here even replying to this thread at least I'm trying to help if people are in actual legitimate need. Basically, I've nothing to lose by taking it seriously, whilst you've nothing to gain with the replies you've been making, so I see no reason not to take it seriously and instead post like you've been because I'm not losing anything by going about it seriously and I'm not gaining anything by replying in the same way you have either.

[Olor]

yeah Justin (I think) has a very reasonable interpretation of difficulty in FFXI and he's totally right. There is a difference between unreasonable gating, and needing to put a bit of work in. He gave a very achievable route to getting atmas (starting with none), especially now that we have easy to obtain 117 gear.

Heck sometimes I forget to put on atmas and with 117+ gear it takes awhile before I notice -.-

Anyway I know people have complained I want to dumb down the game too much ... but this thread is ridiculous. Anyway trusts won't help with the things you say you need help with so this is all a very moot point.

[Zeargi]

I'm gonna chime in again... About the farming Crour. It's unGodly easy to farm it solo. You only need to be near two different mobs. Being a RDM, BLU, or BLM helps (More so the first two). Maxing out lights Pearl and Azure, and get some ruby will help you discover Silver and Ebon lights, which help crour. Many may or may not know, but there is an opposite mechanic to the EXP. While in abyssea, if you want to max EXP, you gain golden lights and continue to kill the same enemies, and CfH anything the aggros that isn't what you're fighting. But if you kill different things, the inverse happens, while your EXP will reset, your crour chain will start to grow. So places like the Spiders and Ladybugs or Rabbits and Crawlers in Vunkerl, are excellent places to farm. The thing is that you can't kill the last thing you did to keep it going.

[Fermion]

Being a RDM, BLU, or BLM helps (More so the first two). Maxing out lights Pearl and Azure, and get some ruby will help you discover Silver and Ebon lights, which help crour.

Any mage can cap pearl and azure, with a bit of ruby, extremely fast.

#1 Go /sch
#2 Cap azure.
#3 Set sea daughter & regen atmas, pop a taco, and spam helix on everything as fast as possible for quick pearl.
#4 Ws a helixed mob every 1000tp for a little ruby. (1 free WS per minute)

Should be capped on pearl/azure with decent ruby, silver and ebon lights in no time.

[bungiefanNA]

I'm gonna chime in again... About the farming Crour. It's unGodly easy to farm it solo. You only need to be near two different mobs. Being a RDM, BLU, or BLM helps (More so the first two). Maxing out lights Pearl and Azure, and get some ruby will help you discover Silver and Ebon lights, which help crour. Many may or may not know, but there is an opposite mechanic to the EXP. While in abyssea, if you want to max EXP, you gain golden lights and continue to kill the same enemies, and CfH anything the aggros that isn't what you're fighting. But if you kill different things, the inverse happens, while your EXP will reset, your crour chain will start to grow. So places like the Spiders and Ladybugs or Rabbits and Crawlers in Vunkerl, are excellent places to farm. The thing is that you can't kill the last thing you did to keep it going.

Simpler terms: EXP chains consist entirely of monsters with the same name killed in a row (Sandsweeper - Sandsweeper - Sandsweeper - Sandsweeper - etc). One with a different name breaks the chain. AoE attacks are easier to use with this, because simultaneous kills aren't bad.

Cruor chains can't have two consecutive kills with the same name or it breaks (Sandsweeper - Fearful Dearg - Sandsweeper - Fearful Dearg - Sandsweeper - etc). AoEs are bad here because you can kill mobs of the same type at once, breaking chain.

You can either get hundreds of EXP per kill or hundreds of cruor. NMs can be thousands in a chain.

[Afania]

Replying seriously is the only way to potentially advance a conversation. Replying in a way that antagonizes them will lead to a pointless conversation over nothing, ignoring any conversation that could possibly be had in the mean time. While we could all be wasting our time here even replying to this thread at least I'm trying to help if people are in actual legitimate need. Basically, I've nothing to lose by taking it seriously, whilst you've nothing to gain with the replies you've been making, so I see no reason not to take it seriously and instead post like you've been because I'm not losing anything by going about it seriously and I'm not gaining anything by replying in the same way you have either.

Except Lordkyron was labeling anyone not agreeing his opinion into "elitist with ego hurt" and "DB with a WHM mule". Half of the posts that tried to help and gave suggestions was either being trolled or not being taken seriously.

Ppl suggested him to solo abyssea, he only reply with something like "you solo with WHM mules and ILV118 gears". Ppl suggested him to brew he was like "I'm not soloing for 400k cruor"(when you never need to solo for 400k cruor by joining party). When I gave my opinion about why dynamis shouldn't have trust, he was like "you're an elitist with ego hurt" when I don't even have a relic job. Then he proceed to go "I'm cancelling sub". Any suggestion or opinion that's posted on the thread was bashed by OP unless it's same opinion as OP's.

If you think you can "advance a conversation" because you're taking the conversation seriously, then you're wrong. The conversation won't go anywhere unless both sides are respectful. From what I've seen, someone in this thread wasn't asking for advice seriously. If he start a post about how to make progress in abyssea and ask for advice in a humble manner, he'd get the help he needed. Instead he choose to attack anyone not agreeing with his opinion, that made the tread not worth replying seriously, IMO.

Do I "gain" anything by replying here? I presented my honest opinion about the dynamis trust issue and OP's attitude, which was exactly the same thing you did, presenting an opinion on a forum. What we gain and invest on the forum are all equal regardless of what we said. Don't try to downplay other ppl's post just because you don't like my attitude, thanks.

[Pixela]

I think really the answer to the thread is simply if you can't do it because you didn't get things when they were being done by everyone, well FFXI is not for you and you should simply quit now.

Many players do not want "their" game changed in any way, even if it helps players the game desperately needs.

"players can't get atmas" too bad for them!
"players can't get clears in dyna" Sucks for them, no competition for me!

Re-subbing to FFXI is honestly just about reliving fun times of the past, once you try to make progress you see it's really not worth your time anymore. The problems you are having with these minor things now will be magnified when you try to do higher content.

I would suggest that you get as much fun as you can and just unsub Lord, I'm on my 6th week back after being absent for 2 years and I highly doubt I'll bother subbing next month. The game just doesn't want returnees or new players and any community the game had has long since rotted away.

Get what fun you can and find another MMO.

[Demonjustin]

"players can't get atmas" too bad for them!

Explain how this is what I said earlier, explain how the steps I provided aren't able to be done or don't work.

"players can't get clears in dyna" Sucks for them, no competition for me!

Seeing as Dynamis is actually a major part of the economy and Trusts being allowed in Dyna wouldn't only interfere with individuals but the economy at large due to the fact it would result in more mobs dying without procs and thus less currency overall in the entire server... this is hardly a matter of selfishness, rather it's a legitimate concern. Explain to me why this should be changed for a few people who can't get wins and are possibly not even asking for help/shouting to make a group while hitting the economy at large and I'll have a talk with you about it. Simply misinterpreting that which people are saying means nothing in the end.