Fish Usefulness

[Louispv]

i look at it this way.... you don't use low level gear anymore unless you are doing low level content. so you won't use those old fish that are used for old recipes unless you're doing that low level content.

But the Ulbukan fish are worthless too... Ruddy seema are used in a now entirely worthless crab jug, the mussels are used in a non repeatable quest, and that's it. And those are easier to get from a rank 1 mog garden than fishing them yourself anyway.

Take the 4 sea serpents. (Hakuryu, Sekiryu, etc.) Have them made into sushi with an acc/racc cap of 170 to match riverfin soups 80 att 90 acc, or magma steak's att +180. Have each one give +10 to a different base stat based on which serpent it is. Maybe Double attack +2, crit hit rate +2, MDB+5, and MAB+5, acc/racc+170 but take all 4 serpents to make some sort of rainbow roll instead.

Take Ulbukan lobster, Pterygotus, Shen, king locust, skull locust, selbina butter, and a persikos. Have it add Def+100 Eva +50, Pet Def +150 Pet Eva +100. Call it Eft's Delight.

Take a Bloodblotch, a yorchette, ulbukan coconut, beast blood, and el pachira fruit. Make it a drink that gives 7 mp/tick refresh and 1 hp/tick poison.

Just some examples. Bam, there are fish that are useful again. Fishing skill isn't worthless, Fishermen can make money selling them. Some old useless ingredients get used again. (Seriously, how many damn ingredients did you add just for jug pets that immediately became worthless because they have a level cap?) Crafters get more recipes to make. It only takes an afternoon to do the whole thing. Everyone wins.

[Protey]

But the Ulbukan fish are worthless too... Ruddy seema are used in a now entirely worthless crab jug, the mussels are used in a non repeatable quest, and that's it. And those are easier to get from a rank 1 mog garden than fishing them yourself anyway.

Take the 4 sea serpents. (Hakuryu, Sekiryu, etc.) Have them made into sushi with an acc/racc cap of 170 to match riverfin soups 80 att 90 acc, or magma steak's att +180. Have each one give +10 to a different base stat based on which serpent it is. Maybe Double attack +2, crit hit rate +2, MDB+5, and MAB+5, acc/racc+170 but take all 4 serpents to make some sort of rainbow roll instead.

Take Ulbukan lobster, Pterygotus, Shen, king locust, skull locust, selbina butter, and a persikos. Have it add Def+100 Eva +50, Pet Def +150 Pet Eva +100. Call it Eft's Delight.

Take a Bloodblotch, a yorchette, ulbukan coconut, beast blood, and el pachira fruit. Make it a drink that gives 7 mp/tick refresh and 1 hp/tick poison.

Just some examples. Bam, there are fish that are useful again. Fishing skill isn't worthless, Fishermen can make money selling them. Some old useless ingredients get used again. (Seriously, how many damn ingredients did you add just for jug pets that immediately became worthless because they have a level cap?) Crafters get more recipes to make. It only takes an afternoon to do the whole thing. Everyone wins.

and here i thought ruddy seema was just used as a skillup synth. There are lots of items that are used just for skilling up crafts but the end products are pretty much worthless otherwise. Fish are just another one of those items.

[Louispv]

and here i thought ruddy seema was just used as a skillup synth. There are lots of items that are used just for skilling up crafts but the end products are pretty much worthless otherwise. Fish are just another one of those items.

No item was like that until WoTG though. (Excluding nidhog scales which took 7 years to add a use for.) Everything was for a quest, or used in a recipe, or was useful in it's own right. It wasn't always the best use, since some gear was objectively better than others and some food better than others, but you could potentially use all of it. But then WoTG added a bunch of worthless fish, and then so did Seekers of Adoulin. Even the trash materials added in SoA for other crafts is made into usable items, even if those usable items became worthless when a higher item level came along later. But most of these fish are literally not even in any recipe. Just eat your bait and then npc them for less than the bait cost.

FFXIV did the same thing, but at least you can gut all the fish to get crystals for your other crafts, there.

[Protey]

No item was like that until WoTG though. (Excluding nidhog scales which took 7 years to add a use for.) Everything was for a quest, or used in a recipe, or was useful in it's own right. It wasn't always the best use, since some gear was objectively better than others and some food better than others, but you could potentially use all of it. But then WoTG added a bunch of worthless fish, and then so did Seekers of Adoulin. Even the trash materials added in SoA for other crafts is made into usable items, even if those usable items became worthless when a higher item level came along later. But most of these fish are literally not even in any recipe. Just eat your bait and then npc them for less than the bait cost.

FFXIV did the same thing, but at least you can gut all the fish to get crystals for your other crafts, there.

To counter your claims, these fish existed before WoTG:

Before WoTG came along, the Greedie fish had no uses other than to skillup.
Gurnard has no uses other than skillup.
Tricolored Carp has no uses other than skillup.
Lungfish has no uses other than skillup.
Before adding it to Inside the Belly well after it was added to the game, Yayinbaligi didn't have a use other than skillup.
Gold Carp has no uses other than skillup.
Sazanbaligi has no uses other than skillup.
Crescent Fish has no uses other than skillup.
Before level cap increase and adding it to Inside the Belly well after it was added to the game, Bladefish didn't have a use other than skillup.
Tavnazian Goby has no uses other than skillup.
Before adding it to Inside the Belly well after it was added to the game, Turnabaligi didn't have a use other than skillup.
Before adding it to Inside the Belly well after it was added to the game, Giant Chirai didn't have a use other than skillup.
Before adding it to Inside the Belly well after it was added to the game, Tricorn didn't have a use other than skillup.

[Louispv]

To counter your claims, these fish existed before WoTG:

All of those are for fish ranking, or guild points, except the gurnard. I forgot that existed.

Even adding the new fish to guild points would be nice. Anything to keep from getting tricorn as the point fish. (You need a key item for it to even bite, then you can only catch it in the newtpool, between midnight and 2 am. Since the ferry only goes through the newtpool at midnight every other day, that's 4 minutes out of every 2 hours it CAN bite, and with a 1/50~ bite rate.... WTF)

[Protey]

All of those are for fish ranking, or guild points, except the gurnard. I forgot that existed.

Even adding the new fish to guild points would be nice. Anything to keep from getting tricorn as the point fish. (You need a key item for it to even bite, then you can only catch it in the newtpool, between midnight and 2 am. Since the ferry only goes through the newtpool at midnight every other day, that's 4 minutes out of every 2 hours it CAN bite, and with a 1/50~ bite rate.... WTF)

Sazanbaligi is not used for fish ranking nor guild points.
Tavnazian Goby is not used for fish ranking nor for guild points.
Yayingbaligi is not used for fish ranking nor for guild points.
Turnabiligi is not used for fish ranking nor for guild points.