[dev1210] Why Not Merit Weaponskills ??

[predatory]

who was defending them, I was just saying how it is, I did mention lack of endgame content a couple of times, how does that seem like defending them? I was talking more about the business model, I rarely defend SE these days, they've really fucked the game up, but I do truly believe if they opened up the merit points completely half the player base would be gone in a month, maybe two

[Alhanelem]

That's a highly disrespectful and demeaning comment. You're just outright insulting me and anyone who disagrees with you at this point.

It was a joke at the time, not an insult. Also, it's the only such thing Ive made in this entire thread. I have not been insulting you or anyone else who disagrees with me, whereas I've been called multiple names including "moron" for my opinion. Have I called you any names? No. Have I called anyone else any names? No. Others have been FAR, FAR more disrespectful and demeaning to me.

There's no justice around here, I'm the one being attacked for my opinion. I've made it very clear that I'm not trying to attack anyone or anything, that inspite of my view I still find significant flaws in the merit system, and that while I hold this viewpoint, I do understand and respect the view held by others. So why you all seem so hellbent on attacking me, calling names, and making me look bad, I really don't know.

As I said before, if I've made up my mind and I've acknolwedged the other viewpoint and I'm in a minority, why try so hard to break me down? If SE decided they wanted to make changes to merits based on this thread, it's pretty obvious what they'd do so it's not like you have anything to worry about.

You're shooting your own argument in the foot by downplaying the effectiveness of the merit weapon skills.

Actually, I'm strengthening my argument. If their impact is minor, they are totally fine to remain as they are. Customization doesn't have to be extraordinarily useful. The benefits are minor but so are the pitfalls.

[detlef]

Actually, I'm strengthening my argument. If their impact is minor, they are totally fine to remain as they are. Customization doesn't have to be extraordinarily useful. The benefits are minor but so are the pitfalls.

It doesn't strengthen your argument because your assertion that their impact is minor is incorrect. We can't go by your definition of minor as "something that is not necessary to clear content" because that definition could then be applied to everything in the game.

You don't like VW drop rates? Well you're already clearing VW without the gear so it must be fine. You don't need it to clear content so why change it?

Hey weren't you complaining about how you didn't have enough merits to even merit BRD and GEO magic skills all the way? Well just this once, we'll up the category limits so you can finally maximize your potential. But only because meriting is all there is to do this update. Oh but anyway, you don't need that, I'm sure you can still clear content without that.

What's that? You don't like it that Seraphicaller and Divinator are only available from alliance content? Well tell you what, we WILL change that for you. Just know that we didn't have to, since they're not necessary to clear content. Don't do the BCs for this, you should be happy with your Eminent Animator. You can still clear whatever content is relevant to you.

Let's just leave everything the way it is. You're already doing great and you're a fine poster!

[Alhanelem]

It doesn't strengthen your argument because your assertion that their impact is minor is incorrect. We can't go by your definition of minor as "something that is not necessary to clear content"

Except you can go by that definition, because it's true. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it false.

because that definition could then be applied to everything in the game

You're right, it can. I fail to see the problem here. I must say, I have to commend you on your great job masking hostility with sarcasm though.

[detlef]

You're right, it can. I fail to see the problem here.

If you use that definition then you're pretty much against every improvement in the game. Are you? Do you hate the balancing of racial HP/MP? Were you against the increased TP gain and balancing of weapon skills? When Wardrobe was added, did mutter angrily to yourself for several minutes? Sure people can beat content without those things, but, according to you, there was no reason to make those improvements. All I ever see you do is argue against change.

I must say, I have to commend you on your great job masking hostility with sarcasm though.

To be fair, it wasn't masked very well. But I will take the compliment.

[Camiie]

It was a joke at the time, not an insult. Also, it's the only such thing Ive made in this entire thread. I have not been insulting you or anyone else who disagrees with me, whereas I've been called multiple names including "moron" for my opinion. Have I called you any names? No. Have I called anyone else any names? No. Others have been FAR, FAR more disrespectful and demeaning to me.

You aimed your "joke at the time" (so what is it now) squarely at me and I didn't call you anything. You just categorized everything I said as nonsense, and it isn't no matter how you feel about it.

There's no justice around here, I'm the one being attacked for my opinion. I've made it very clear that I'm not trying to attack anyone or anything, that inspite of my view I still find significant flaws in the merit system, and that while I hold this viewpoint, I do understand and respect the view held by others. So why you all seem so hellbent on attacking me, calling names, and making me look bad, I really don't know. As I said before, if I've made up my mind and I've acknolwedged the other viewpoint and I'm in a minority, why try so hard to break me down? If SE decided they wanted to make changes to merits based on this thread, it's pretty obvious what they'd do so it's not like you have anything to worry about.

Again I haven't called you anything, but please don't let that fact kill the mood at your pity party.

Actually, I'm strengthening my argument. If their impact is minor, they are totally fine to remain as they are. Customization doesn't have to be extraordinarily useful. The benefits are minor but so are the pitfalls.

If customization doesn't have to be useful then let's make all customization come from purely cosmetic sources and leave weapon skills, stats, and abilities out of it. Looks like we've finally found common ground. I knew it'd happen eventually.

[Alhanelem]

If customization doesn't have to be useful then let's make all customization come from purely cosmetic sources and leave weapon skills, stats, and abilities out of it. Looks like we've finally found common ground. I knew it'd happen eventually.

No, we haven't found common ground. I didn't say it wasn't useful, only that it was "minor." Meaning, not drastically game changing. Having these things doesn't make miracles happen, and not having them doesn't make things impossible. There is plenty of room in between. You're twisting my words here. Customization is not just cosmetic sources and that's not how I want it to be. This game does a bad job of that as it is- 11+ years running and all we have is a command that temporarily locks your appearance until you zone.

Here is what I want, plain and simple: I want changing your merit configuration to be less difficult. The merits you earn should be permanent (and they should find some other currency for those battlefields because spending merits on them is silly). You should be able to change them in your mog house freely or at some minor cost or with some reasonable cooldown. Then all the people complaining here essentially get what they want while not completely ruining the customization aspect of the system. (Not to say I don't have other ideas, but I'm trying to be realistic as to the sorts of things SE could technically do)

[FrankReynolds]

No, we haven't found common ground. I didn't say it wasn't useful, only that it was "minor." Meaning, not drastically game changing. Having these things doesn't make miracles happen, and not having them doesn't make things impossible. There is plenty of room in between. You're twisting my words here. Customization is not just cosmetic sources and that's not how I want it to be. This game does a bad job of that as it is- 11+ years running and all we have is a command that temporarily locks your appearance until you zone.

Here is what I want, plain and simple: I want changing your merit configuration to be less difficult. The merits you earn should be permanent (and they should find some other currency for those battlefields because spending merits on them is silly). You should be able to change them in your mog house freely or at some minor cost or with some reasonable cooldown. Then all the people complaining here essentially get what they want while not completely ruining the customization aspect of the system. (Not to say I don't have other ideas, but I'm trying to be realistic as to the sorts of things SE could technically do)

So basically you want the exact same outcome (everyone can use all the merit WS at full power), but with just enough difference in how it is implemented to make it look like you won the argument. Fine by me. You win.

You hear that SE? Alhanelem Wants to use all the merit WS at full strength too now. Go get it done.

[Olor]

they aren't going to change it. Seriously. It's funny y'all are acting like Alhanelem was somehow preventing it. Honestly the players of this game gotta get out of the min-maxing extremism - if you need a WS for some special property then just put a point in it. No big deal. Use a different WS as your main DD WS... almost every merit WS has a non-merit WS that is completely competitive with it.

I don't understand all the wailing about this. Merits have always been about choice. Whether you like it or not, that's the way it is. I'd love to be able to max at least 5, and I think that would be more reasonable but I don't mind the idea that there is a trade off - if I want to be the best BLU and have acess to full strength of all their available WS - it might mean I have to sacrifice a bit of power (and really 1 or 2 points from max is actually not a big deal) from a different job.

But with so little difference between 1 point and 5, I really don't get the extreme issue people have with this... but it's a symptom of larger attitude problem in the playerbase...

[Demonjustin]

Here is what I want, plain and simple: I want changing your merit configuration to be less difficult. The merits you earn should be permanent (and they should find some other currency for those battlefields because spending merits on them is silly). You should be able to change them in your mog house freely or at some minor cost or with some reasonable cooldown. Then all the people complaining here essentially get what they want while not completely ruining the customization aspect of the system. (Not to say I don't have other ideas, but I'm trying to be realistic as to the sorts of things SE could technically do)

So you want to be able to change your merit configuration without having to re-obtain merits, which would result in basically the exact same outcome as simply removing the caps entirely except that STR/DEX/VIT/Ect and Job Specific Merits would remain the same and you'd have to put more work into changing things around.

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