Server Merge

[Afania]

Dare I say the server pops over there are even less than FFXI. I don't know if I'm doing it wrong or they severely limit search abilities, but searching each region one at a time and counting it up, I've counted as little as 500 server pop in between major updates.

14's search function isn't accurate. AFAIK you can't search players in instance.

ARR is kinda instance based MMORPG, 95%(or more) of event happen in instances, most players spend their time in instances. Using search function won't give you accurate number unless they change it recently.

You won't be able to know the exact active player in ARR, SE wouldn't release it. They only ever give a vague and misleading number like "2 million registered account".

[Demonjustin]

3. JP /shout doesn't count, <automatically filter out English /shout in SS>

You regularly join shouts you can't read and join groups in general in which you can't communicate well with the people in it? If you don't speak JP and the shout'er isn't using Auto-trans it can be assumed they don't want you.

[Afania]

You regularly join shouts you can't read and join groups in general in which you can't communicate well with the people in it? If you don't speak JP and the shout'er isn't using Auto-trans it can be assumed they don't want you.

1. But there were 1 English /shout in SS(although it's not skirmish 3), and 1 JP VW /shout that's apparently accepting English player. In fact I just checked FFXI AH /shout channel 1 min ago and I saw 3 English /shout going on: 1 AA GK normal, 1 Foret 1~4, and 1 Einherjar T3. This isn't even NA prime time.So your argument is not legit.

I honestly don't know HOW there wouldn't be 1 single English /shout for days.

2. It is possible to join JP /shout on BRD and SCH, true story. I have tons of friends got into JP /shout on BRD SCH because they're desperate. If you use windower just google translate copy/paste stuff. Tumz complained he had issue with the number of /shout, and apparently JP /shout more often than NA, may as well just join JP /shout.

3. I just translated every JP /shout in SS, apparently "You regularly join shouts you can't read" isn't true. I can read it, and if I have BRD I'd regularly join them already. Even without BRD I joined some of their /shout back when my job were wanted in 18 man version delve. If I use windower/JP client they probably can't tell I'm not a JP thanks to google.....that's how I join tons of JP /shout back when I play ARR before JP onry mentality become a norm. If the lack of /shout is really that much of a big deal, may as well try to solve the issue with google translate, instead of complaining on OF.

[Lithera]

Lol JP onry has almost been the norm before XIV v1 came out. Unless they were desperate and felt your gear wasn't luz they would allow you to join. Windower and copy/paste is fine if you're on a PC, but some of us run this game via Xbox. So doing that is not an option most of the time. That and you can't read them or you wouldn't need to use a translator in the first place. Saying that the one English shout = an abundant of shouts for something doesn't equal shouts going on all the time.

[Demonjustin]

1. But there were 1 English /shout in SS(although it's not skirmish 3), and 1 JP VW /shout that's apparently accepting English player. In fact I just checked FFXI AH /shout channel 1 min ago and I saw 3 English /shout going on: 1 AA GK normal, 1 Foret 1~4, and 1 Einherjar T3. This isn't even NA prime time.So your argument is not legit.

I honestly don't know HOW there wouldn't be 1 single English /shout for days.

I wouldn't go so far as to say none for days, but I myself have had a mule sitting in Adoulin for the last 3 days watching for the events I need right now which amounts to Tenzen, Ouryu, Stellar Fulcrum, and Delve. In the last 3 days I've seen 2 shouts for 1 of the 4 things I listed that I was able to join and that's with me watching between the hours of noon to 4Am EST, which I think fits NA Primetime in there somewhere. In either case, your server may not be as bad as Phoenix on population, but over here, it's quite bad.

2. It is possible to join JP /shout on BRD and SCH, true story. I have tons of friends got into JP /shout on BRD SCH because they're desperate. If you use windower just google translate copy/paste stuff. Tumz complained he had issue with the number of /shout, and apparently JP /shout more often than NA, may as well just join JP /shout.

This is a 1 way street. I can translate their shout because it's on FFXIAH, I can translate what I say via the method you mentioned, but once in party there's no way for me to translate what they're saying to me so that I may reply. The only thing I'll know that they say is things they shout that FFXIAH can pick up, and from then on I'll be able to translate what I say to them but any reply to me will be nothing more than scribbles I can't understand.

3. I just translated every JP /shout in SS, apparently "You regularly join shouts you can't read" isn't true. I can read it, and if I have BRD I'd regularly join them already. Even without BRD I joined some of their /shout back when my job were wanted in 18 man version delve. If I use windower/JP client they probably can't tell I'm not a JP thanks to google.....that's how I join tons of JP /shout back when I play ARR before JP onry mentality become a norm. If the lack of /shout is really that much of a big deal, may as well try to solve the issue with google translate, instead of complaining on OF.

The point of the forums is feedback, how can you say that the better solution is to go use Google to translate things and try to join parties that way rather than coming here to say something about the server population being an issue for joining groups? If the only thing we ever did to solve the issue in this game was to try things outside of the forums the forums would have no point in being here in the first place. That being said, yes, there are some workarounds you can try as you're saying, but it's not a substitute for a real solution implemented in some way by SE.

You're also assuming that it's easy jobs like BRD that'd be played, or that people have those jobs. Yes some support jobs are easy enough, BRD can have the songs needed auto-trans'd if need be, as can COR, WHM is easy enough as well, but there are times when communication matters and in those moments it can become an issue to have to auto-trans everything or simply not possible to do so. In the end though, while it's possible to join groups this way in the end it's still not the best solution, and coming here to ask for a better one isn't a bad thing.

[Afania]

Lol JP onry has almost been the norm before XIV v1 came out. Unless they were desperate and felt your gear wasn't luz they would allow you to join. Windower and copy/paste is fine if you're on a PC, but some of us run this game via Xbox. So doing that is not an option most of the time. That and you can't read them or you wouldn't need to use a translator in the first place. Saying that the one English shout = an abundant of shouts for something doesn't equal shouts going on all the time.

No, what I mean was. JP onry has been the norm in FFXI, but not FFXIV ARR when it was out. Since ARR allows player to type JP without using windower/JP client, then plenty of FFXIV player just copy/paste JP from google translate and join JP pt, without letting the pt leader know. In the end even in ARR JP onry became the norm.

I wouldn't go so far as to say none for days, but I myself have had a mule sitting in Adoulin for the last 3 days watching for the events I need right now which amounts to Tenzen, Ouryu, Stellar Fulcrum, and Delve. In the last 3 days I've seen 2 shouts for 1 of the 4 things I listed that I was able to join and that's with me watching between the hours of noon to 4Am EST, which I think fits NA Primetime in there somewhere. In either case, your server may not be as bad as Phoenix on population, but over here, it's quite bad.

The point is that Tumz insisted that there are no English /shout is entirely server population's fault, which I disagree with. Server pop is only half of the reason, NA culture toward /shout is different from JP is another half.

NA players tend to rely on connections for event, most of my friends, LS mate and myself hate /shout with a passion. Most of the ppl I know, when they do event they simply just go with LS/friend. You'd never see them /shout at all. Especially delve2 or merc runs. If you try delve2 or even delve1 runs with PUG, 95% of the time they suck. Any player smart enough wouldn't spend 1hr to make a shout pt just to fail.

There are a lot more JP /shout going on than English /shout, which I agree. But that's not just because there are more JP population, but because JP tend to have more reliable /shout group.

In fact, even for easier stuff such as rem's tale farm, my ls and friends just go with mules/another close friend and do easier mode, instead of dealing with /shout.

That's at least half of the reason why there aren't many /shout: Nobody want to play with random.

However, when I brought up the difference between NA culture and JP when it comes to /shout, I'm being labelled as fanboy. Even though I see no direct connection between low server pop and the lack of /shout.

Further more, now that there are many different events in this game, you do need some luck if you only want to see specific event you want to do. You may be camping SKCNM legs run /shout for days, but the /shout popped for past 5 days are SKCNM head runs, delve1 Tojil, Skirmish3, Einherjar and so on.

So the result is, although there are English /shouts all the time, you automatically filter it out because thats not the event you want to do. That doesn't make your argument legit. I can argue that I wanna do VW Hahava, but there were like zero hahava /shout in past 10 days, then I go on to argue that English /shout doesn't exist because any English /shout for event I don't want to do doesn't count.

However, if you look at the amount of English /shout as a whole, without filtering out events you don't want to do, it's not THAT bad. Slightly lower than JP, but not as bad as Tumz described.

The point of the forums is feedback, how can you say that the better solution is to go use Google to translate things and try to join parties that way rather than coming here to say something about the server population being an issue for joining groups? If the only thing we ever did to solve the issue in this game was to try things outside of the forums the forums would have no point in being here in the first place. That being said, yes, there are some workarounds you can try as you're saying, but it's not a substitute for a real solution implemented in some way by SE.

The only solution Tumz presented is server merge, and apparently SE can't solve the instance issue. So I presented an alternate method to solve his problem, what's wrong with that? What else do you expect? Tell him to sit in Adoulin continue to camp /shout? Or yell at SE for server merge and deal with 140 people in AA battle BC? If you want to be successful at something, you try to solve the problem when other ppl can't solve the problem for you.

[tumz]

I have only one thing I can do after reading these posts... /facepalm

**Did that guy really just suggest I translate JP on a skirmish 3? Does he not know that if they are shouting for Skirmish 3 its going to probably be for a WHM? and lastly... playing a WHM in skirmish 3 demands constant communication for sacrifices, heals, etc...

If I was a mindless DD I'd have not problem joining a JP shout, but as a BRD or WHM... your crazy man, crazy!

[Lithera]

No, what I mean was. JP onry has been the norm in FFXI, but not FFXIV ARR when it was out. Since ARR allows player to type JP without using windower/JP client, then plenty of FFXIV player just copy/paste JP from google translate and join JP pt, without letting the pt leader know. In the end even in ARR JP onry became the norm

Maybe on the JP servers this is true, but XI doesn't have separate servers like XIV does.

[Afania]

I have only one thing I can do after reading these posts... /facepalm

**Did that guy really just suggest I translate JP on a skirmish 3? Does he not know that if they are shouting for Skirmish 3 its going to probably be for a WHM? and lastly... playing a WHM in skirmish 3 demands constant communication for sacrifices, heals, etc...

If I was a mindless DD I'd have not problem joining a JP shout, but as a BRD or WHM... your crazy man, crazy!

What'd I just read?

DD1: Cure plz.

DD2: Cure plz.

DD3: I need haste.

DD1: I need erase.

DD2: Cureeee I'm dying!

DD3: You still haven't haste me!

The fact that you used the term "constant communication" on WHM shows that something is wrong....just wrong. Maybe the fact that WHM in /shout pt needs "constant communication" for heals, is the main reason why majority of the player would rather not make /shout pt for anything.

Oh and btw, even if for some reason you do need DDs to yell at you for -na/haste/cures, it's entirely doable with auto-translate. Further more, if you can understand the meaning of JP /shout, fat chances are you can understand basic term such as haste/-na/sacrifice in JP.

Ideally, you don't want DDs to use /p chat to talk to WHM at all. Sorry to be blunt and mean, but I can kinda tell why you have hard time joining /shout, while good WHMs(that doesn't need "constant" communication for heals) got spammed with delve /tell when ppl are making delve pt.

All I see is, tons of excuses for the lack of pt and more excuses after another. While other players, such as WHM that doesn't require "constant communication" for heals get pt invite by playing better, or other ppl just spend some time learning basic JP and at least try to get into JP pt. I'm not saying you'd always be successful when you try to get into JP pt, but at least it's worth trying before worrying about JP player can't tell you how to cure in English.

Edit: Btw, if you're going to continue making excuses, I'd rather not to reply anymore. I'm not saying I can play WHM perfect, but at least I wouldn't make a shit tons of excuses for no invite. If DDs needs constant communication for heals when I'm on WHM, the first thing I'd worry about is to play WHM better, not the amount of /shout on the server.

[Zarchery]

The moment I saw this, I log on to FFXI immediately to see how active /shout is.

I logged on on 7:45 PM my time, after 8 min @7:53 PM I see 5 different /shout pt going on.




Molion: Celestial Nexus pt full, sorry if you can't join.-----> 1
Hatashy: AA TT Tarutaru Do you need it? @5 need DD or RNG----->2
Samsone: Celestial Nexus Very difficult, need 1 PLD. Seacom 1 item.----->3
Ameliie: VW Voidwrought x12, check seacom.------>4
Renimu: Outer Ra'Kaznar skirmish 111 x3, check seacom.------->5


So yeah, there were 2 Celestial Nexus pt, 1 AA TT, 1 VW and 1 skirmish3 pt going on, in just 8 min.

I guess your trolling skill isn't very high to begin with

Inb4: 1. You don't have time stamp, this can't be happening in 8 min.
2. Shopped.
3. JP /shout doesn't count, <automatically filter out English /shout in SS>
4. All the above /shouter are your mules right?

But yeah, the above SS is legit and real. The time was legit and real too. There are, just that many /shout going on.

How did youget those translations? Every time I try copy and paste into Google Translate I get gibberish. The Japanese characters paste, but the English translation is nonsensical.