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[tumz]

DD's don't ask for heals... erase on occasion, but those boss fights there needs to be good communication and quick. Translate isn't sufficient, and if you need further explaining... play a whm in a Skirmish 3 and you'll see what i'm talking about. Positioning is very important, when to use sacrifice are the main things that don't translate for crap.

Edit: What program are you using to translate that JP? If I could understand half the crap that JPs don't auto-translate it might be a viable option.

[Zarchery]

DD's don't ask for heals... erase on occasion, but those boss fights there needs to be good communication and quick. Translate isn't sufficient, and if you need further explaining... play a whm in a Skirmish 3 and you'll see what i'm talking about. Positioning is very important, when to use sacrifice are the main things that don't translate for crap.

Words like "Tumz is Paralyzed" come up on my chat log in English no matter what the nationality of players I'm with. Enfeebles you often tell from animations. HP totals are displayed in numbers and color coded based on percentage of max. Most of the time, I know exactly what I need to do to the players because it's obvious. If I miss something, they're never shy about asking. Simple phrases like "Stona", "Petrified", "Haste", "Paralyzed" etc., get the point across easily. If a player doesn't feel like communicating that, it's their loss, but they're usually not. There's nothing you need to explain about simple concepts like "cast this spell on my now please".

[tumz]

So how many folks play in JP parties? Do the JPs mind or get pissed off? I do enjoy the occasional banter, but hell if JPs actually auto-translate this stuff all the time, its a viable option.

[Afania]

How did youget those translations? Every time I try copy and paste into Google Translate I get gibberish. The Japanese characters paste, but the English translation is nonsensical.

I didn't use anything to translate. I can understand the basic FFXI terms in JP. Such as the lotting rule, the mission BC, skrimish, and jobs. I can read Hiragana/Katakana/Kanji. I don't know much about grammar, but I can read the terms so I just put the terms together.

DD's don't ask for heals... erase on occasion, but those boss fights there needs to be good communication and quick. Translate isn't sufficient, and if you need further explaining... play a whm in a Skirmish 3 and you'll see what i'm talking about. Positioning is very important, when to use sacrifice are the main things that don't translate for crap.

Positioning and when to use sacrifice shouldn't require explanation, ever. It's called wiki, FFXI common sense and understand mob TP move additional effect. If I play WHM, I'd be pissed if DD ever ask for anything in /p chat. Because that means I'm too slow for -na/erase/sacrifice, and that's fail on MY part. Most of the time, DDs needs sacrifice because certain move made DDs need sacrifice. Just use it right after the move after it appear in the chat log. Same deal for every erase and -na. Always use erase/-na/sacrifice after certain TP move(which you can read in chat log), not when DDs ask in /p chat. By the time DD finish typing something in /p chat, it's already considered too slow if you remove anything after they type.

Positioning is the same too, WHM should* know where to stand. Exactly which mob/NM that requires further explanation?

[tumz]

I guess I'm just slow with my WHM and need to get better at reading chat log. I'm just surprised that the JPs don't get mad that you don't speak JP when there shout was in JP.

[Feary]

i wish S.E would just make a comment and put all this wishful thinking/speculation to rest.

[Afania]

I guess I'm just slow with my WHM and need to get better at reading chat log. I'm just surprised that the JPs don't get mad that you don't speak JP when there shout was in JP.

They don't "get mad", they either ignore your /tell if they don't want you, or suck it up and invite a none JP BRD because they can't find one. If you can show that you have basic JP understanding, your chance of getting in is higher. If you don't, then you have to rely on playing a hard to find job such as BRD SCH. I have some friends got JP invite because they have the job that's hard to find, such as 4 song BRD/relic RNG/SCH etc.

[Damane]

The moment I saw this, I log on to FFXI immediately to see how active /shout is.

I logged on on 7:45 PM my time, after 8 min @7:53 PM I see 5 different /shout pt going on.




Molion: Celestial Nexus pt full, sorry if you can't join.-----> 1
Hatashy: AA TT Tarutaru Do you need it? @5 need DD or RNG----->2
Samsone: Celestial Nexus Very difficult, need 1 PLD. Seacom 1 item.----->3
Ameliie: VW Voidwrought x12, check seacom.------>4
Renimu: Outer Ra'Kaznar skirmish 111 x3, check seacom.------->5


So yeah, there were 2 Celestial Nexus pt, 1 AA TT, 1 VW and 1 skirmish3 pt going on, in just 8 min.

I guess your trolling skill isn't very high to begin with

Inb4: 1. You don't have time stamp, this can't be happening in 8 min.
2. Shopped.
3. JP /shout doesn't count, <automatically filter out English /shout in SS>
4. All the above /shouter are your mules right?

But yeah, the above SS is legit and real. The time was legit and real too. There are, just that many /shout going on.

I am sorry but I have to /facepalm at translating JP to even attend stuff. Learnign english as a non nativ english speaker, was ok, because english and (in my case german) are very similar in terms of letters etc. you seriously cant expect people to learn JP to play this game, pls dont tell me you expect that because the /facepalm would be even bigger and I just lost all respect for you i had ._.

[AppropriateName5786]

I guess I'm just slow with my WHM and need to get better at reading chat log. I'm just surprised that the JPs don't get mad that you don't speak JP when there shout was in JP.

You have the right idea, so don't listen to the crazy people. There are many things that cannot be overcome in terms of the language barrier and they put you at a major disadvantage, not least because any mistake can be blamed on "the stupid NA player." As an example, my party in Ra'ka Skirmish once ran into the chapuli NM because someone used a non-tier 1 body or head, and you can bet we needed to communicate LOTS. Also, how do you communicate "let's wait for respawns" in auto-translate? You can try, but the JP will be scratching their heads at the mess you typed. Furthermore, it is not always possible to keep an eye on everything as a WHM, especially if you don't enjoy it or don't play it often. Having to play jobs you hate just to get stuff done is bad enough, so don't turn it into more of a chore by forcing yourself to learn a new language/script that only 2% of the world speaks.

As is the case with all stereotypes, the one that JPs don't play with NAs is somewhat rooted in truth. You have to keep in mind that people like Afania have said crazy things in other threads like "this MMO is my life/life simulator." Don't take advice from these people if you want to stay sane.

[tumz]

Thanks for the advice, I might still keep guildwork up and use it to translate JP stuff for crap that just requires attendance VW, skirm 1 and 2, etc... but will probably stay away from JP shouts on Delve 2 and Skirmish 3. The last Skirmish 3 I was in as WHM we did it in Skype, and there is no doubt we would of been in major trouble with me WHMing and not having that direct line of communication. I don't play WHM often anymore, and am still very good with heals, but as far as timely erases, sacrifices, cursna, etc... I tend to miss some even with battlemod filters.