Thread: Delve 1.0

Originally Posted by predatory

So you're totally against them upgrading delve 1.0 and would rather toss that shit then upgrade it if they actually put a system in place right? Because that is what you're arguing against. I bet if they upgraded it tomorrow you'd be the first person standing in line to get it done. I'm trying to offer something constructive for the community and you're trying to tear it down. Well good for you

We have allready too much upgrade gear, there is no need to carry even more olde wtf armor to upgrade it. Let olde armor die and toss it, end of discussion. Inventory is allready clusterfucked there is no need to carry another 93239023 pieces of old gear for upgrades.

I upgraded my artsieq gear that surpasses bokwus and tossed basicly all bokuws pieces, MOVE ON.

Originally Posted by Damane

We have allready too much upgrade gear, there is no need to carry even more olde wtf armor to upgrade it. Let olde armor die and toss it, end of discussion. Inventory is allready clusterfucked there is no need to carry another 93239023 pieces of old gear for upgrades.

I upgraded my artsieq gear that surpasses bokwus and tossed basicly all bokuws pieces, MOVE ON.

Sorry that's not the end of the discussion, you'll know when the discussion is over because people won't be posting anymore. When you say olde, how old could it be? Delve 2 hasn't been around all that long, you peopl are so sucked into the verticl upgrade system that your heads are going to explode when they go back to sidegrades

Originally Posted by predatory

your heads are going to explode when they go back to sidegrades

They already have went back to side-grades, Delve II, all Delve bosses, Skirmish II, RF, all gear that drops from Merit Point NMs, and likely everything else for the most part that will come out gear related in the next few months will all be level 119 cap, that's basically saying it'll all be side-grades a this point.

Originally Posted by Demonjustin

They already have went back to side-grades, Delve II, all Delve bosses, Skirmish II, RF, all gear that drops from Merit Point NMs, and likely everything else for the most part that will come out gear related in the next few months will all be level 119 cap, that's basically saying it'll all be side-grades a this point.

I find the "for the next few months" part of that reply to be disturbing. It sounds almost like vertical upgrades are becoming acceptable, and IMO it's not acceptable at all if there's not going to be a path to actually upgrade gear we get in this expansion from one ilevel to the next, while they add new stuff along theway. That would be acceptable to me. Spending millions on gear that's going to be worthless tomorrow is not only unacceptable, it's infuriating as well.

I don't want the cap to change any more than you, I only said it in that exact way because SE has made it clear that the cap for now is 119, but they did point out specifically when they said it that it would be 119 for a while, not necessarily would it be permanent. I think going above 119 would be stupid for many reasons including but not limited to the fact they'd have to upgrade our AF/R/M/E all to 129 or whatever in the future as well or they'd be put in a hole again with a mass of complaints about how the gear is worthless. They faced a massive resistance when they raised the cap to 119 and tried to do vertical progression, I hope they never again try that stance, but if they do I feel it best to leave my comments open for it. I don't presume to know either way, but I did feel it worth pointing out the possibility exists even though it's still many months away so far as they tell us, if it even happens at all.

Originally Posted by Demonjustin

I don't want the cap to change any more than you, I only said it in that exact way because SE has made it clear that the cap for now is 119, but they did point out specifically when they said it that it would be 119 for a while, not necessarily would it be permanent. I think going above 119 would be stupid for many reasons including but not limited to the fact they'd have to upgrade our AF/R/M/E all to 129 or whatever in the future as well or they'd be put in a hole again with a mass of complaints about how the gear is worthless. They faced a massive resistance when they raised the cap to 119 and tried to do vertical progression, I hope they never again try that stance, but if they do I feel it best to leave my comments open for it. I don't presume to know either way, but I did feel it worth pointing out the possibility exists even though it's still many months away so far as they tell us, if it even happens at all.

If they do it again, I hope they provide upgrade paths because this dumping millions of gil only to find out it was wasted just irks the hell out of me., probably alot like those people i've been loling about when it comes to time, but they really do need to do something about this because I'm not even sure if I even want to bother with going through the trouble to get and upgrade the delve 2 bow and I know I'm not going to do any of the armor pieces for rng, dnc, brd, or pld.

So how about it se, let us upgrade our delve 1 gear, or let us demezzonite it for our plasm and airlixers, you could give us half the plasm back and 100% of the airlixers +2 put into them

I just want to point out, in the end I do agree with the idea of upgrading the original Delve gear to 119, I'm not in any way opposed to it, but the main reason I've been posting in a way that may seem like I am is because the main complaint seemed to be directed toward the fact the gear was upgraded via augmentation. If your hopes were to get it upgraded to 119 and retain your augments I think you'd find yourself disappointed even after the update just as many people did with Skirmish, so while I agree with the sentiments of upgrading the gear to 119 I more or less just meant to point out I doubt that augments would stay, and if that's the main reason you wanted them upgraded(because you spent so much on augments) then your reasoning was a bit flawed since they would probably be wiped upon the upgrade.

Originally Posted by Stompa

I said in my first post, a point which you either didn't read or failed to understand, that the difference between skirmish and delve augments is that delve gear was airlixired in a strict linear upgrade path, whereas skirmish gear is gambling, it is Las Vegas. I myself have lots of lvl 119 skirmish gear because my LS spams the new skirmish, I just used one +2 stone / piece and left it at that because I am not a gambler, I don't throw money around hoping to get lucky. So for skirmish I get the 119 and I put one +2 stone on it for an aug and then I stop.
Delve gear was different, because in order to complete the linear upgrade path, which involved zero gambling and was therefor a required upgrade path and not just an optional "hey I feel lucky today!" kind of Vegas ride, and so when I put 30m into my Bokwus, Manibohzo, Mikinaak armors, I was doing so because they were a linear upgrade path, and I have always made a point of completing upgrade paths when I start them.
And it is not about the money, as I've said many times, if I had cared so much about the money I would not have spent it. It is about the fact that armors which took me weeks of grinding Delve to obtain, then 30m to upgrade, are now 9 levels lower that Artifact armor which does not involve battling Delve bosses and does not involve 30m. My Delve gear is also 7 levels lower than sparks gear, which takes like 20 minutes to obtain just smacking some EP mob around. My point was that I would like this armor to scale up to 119. And if that is not possible, I would like de-mezzotinting so I can sell the 30m gil of airlixirs. It feels stupid having 30m armor on my Moghouse Mannequin. I would prefer to use this armor on my WAR, or dismantle it and sell the lixirs. But I doubt any of this will happen, I was just chiming in with my own experiences and how I wish I had spent those months disco-dancing or something instead of farming delve.

And this is exactly what I want the devs to hear, because those of us that post on the forum are a minority, a few people ingame brought it up, so I thought I'd post about it. Since SE started us on an upgrade path they should let us finish that path, not just say oh well this was never meant to be upgraded too bad so sad, now move along.

Originally Posted by predatory

And this is exactly what I want the devs to hear, because those of us that post on the forum are a minority, a few people ingame brought it up, so I thought I'd post about it. Since SE started us on an upgrade path they should let us finish that path, not just say oh well this was never meant to be upgraded too bad so sad, now move along.

what you talking, the upgrade path on that particular delve armor is finished, there is no going beyond rank 15, despite the fact some of those pieces are still best for various melee sets (WSs or full acc/haste sets etc) various mikanaak and manibozho pieces come to mind.

The thing is that you both keep talking about upgrading the gear costing so much gil and having been for nothing, what I'm saying is I've no problem with a Mikinaak +1 at 119, but if you honestly think that your augments will be retained or you'll get a refund I think you're sadly mistaken. No such thing was done for Skirmish gear, nothing on either of those two points was done, our gear we poured gil into for augments lost their augments, and we effectively lost our gil, it's just how it was. I like the idea of upgrading the gear, but expecting, or seemingly expecting, the augments to remain on the gear as well is what's keeping me from actually agreeing with you on this subject completely.