Delve 1.0

**predatory** · 04-26-2014 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Damane

what you talking, the upgrade path on that particular delve armor is finished, there is no going beyond rank 15, despite the fact some of those pieces are still best for various melee sets (WSs or full acc/haste sets etc) various mikanaak and manibozho pieces come to mind.

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_2013_01en.pdf
I bet I get my upgrades, lol SE is bleeding money, and right now they're chasing their tails trying to think of ways to keep their clients appeased.

**Damane** · 04-26-2014 04:43 AM

Originally Posted by predatory

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_2013_01en.pdf
I bet I get my upgrades, lol SE is bleeding money, and right now they're chasing their tails trying to think of ways to keep their clients appeased.

i dont know, they seem to do okeish, bravely default did great, FFXI is still printing money and 14 is printing money too. other big projects are in the pipeline.

In all honesty tough I really dont care how they fare.

**predatory** · 04-26-2014 12:02 PM

I don't care what they do or how the do it, I just want the option to upgrade these items, and I 'd like them to stop outdating content so fast, Imean hell, the gear that drops from wildskeeper reives is only ilevel 115, which makes a huge part of this entire expansion irrelevant, (reives, wildskeeper reives, and delve 1), and abunch of developement time, and money wasted.

**Damane** · 04-26-2014 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by predatory

I don't care what they do or how the do it, I just want the option to upgrade these items, and I 'd like them to stop outdating content so fast, Imean hell, the gear that drops from wildskeeper reives is only ilevel 115, which makes a huge part of this entire expansion irrelevant, (reives, wildskeeper reives, and delve 1), and abunch of developement time, and money wasted.

reives became irrelevant when you could get 15k bayld in one cirdas run for 3 min ¬.¬

**predatory** · 04-26-2014 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Damane

reives became irrelevant when you could get 15k bayld in one cirdas run for 3 min ¬.¬

I'll give you that one, but people did use reives to get into WKRs. Now everything other than the jse mantles are just junk.

**Damane** · 04-26-2014 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by predatory

I'll give you that one, but people did use reives to get into WKRs. Now everything other than the jse mantles are just junk.

thats not quiet true, there are still some nices pieces out there, yumcax club comes to mind and some other pieces from morimar etc. also alot of people have gotten what they wanted from WKR. this is also the reason why they will add NEW gear to WKR again (for the 2. time)

I think you have a misconception about the ilvl system, the ilvl stystem is a steping stone, you climb up the ilvl system to reach ilvl 119, all gear inbetween 99-119 are steping stones (some still remain very good or best in place at 119) to help you push through harder stuff until you reach ilvl 119.

the steping stones are somethign like this (i cant remember the post of matsui):

bayld gear 1.0
WKR reive gear 1.0
skirmish weapons 1.0
bayld gear 2.0
AF Relic gear 109
delve gear 1.0 (non ilvl 119)
skimrish weapons and gear 2.0
WKR gear weapons 2.0 (ilvl 115)
Oboro weapons (port jeuno ilvl 119)
skirmish 3.0
AF and Relic 119
AAs hardmissions 119
delve 2.0 and delve 1.0 (ilvl 119)

in this order (or similir to this order)

this also means that gear/weapons aquired from steps inbetween will become unavoidable useless in most cases and that was stated from matsui himself, that it is a steping process. He also posted a similar list to this where which event ties in.

the only ecxeptions on that list are skirmish weapons/armor and AF Relic which are upgradeable to ilvl 119. Which makes sense because if you would make everythign upgradeable you would have a clusterfuck of an inventory.

this was said allready on the release of delve 1.0

some quotes: (this was on january 2014)

Matsui here.

I’d like to discuss the fundamental plans for upgrading equipment with item levels, as there are questions and uncertainty in regards to the future.

First, the equipment we are currently planning to make upgradeable is the reward equipment from Rala Waterways, Cirdas Cavern, and Yorcia Weald skirmishes. You’ll be able to perform the final upgrade to item level 119 with the new skirmishes that are to be added.

Besides these items, we do not have any plans to upgrade other equipment with item levels. Also, we’ll be introducing brand-new rewards in the skirmishes to be added after the next round.

If we were to continue adding upgrade items, players would have to keep a large amount of equipment and this is tied to inventory space consumption, so moving forward when we implement higher-tier versions of existing content and make adjustments to content levels we would like to adopt the method of adding new equipment rewards.

Basically we will not be making it so you need to have older equipment to obtain the new equipment, and for the exceptions where you can upgrade and there are requirements to exchange existing equipment, we feel it necessary to make it easier to obtain the original item as well as have a way to recover the items if they were thrown away.

In regards to inventory expansion, just as Yoji Fujito has commented here, it is being investigated, but we need to create a new system from scratch and it will take some time.

this is for your further information: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...t=Delve+matsui

**Camiie** · 04-26-2014 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by predatory

So you're totally against them upgrading delve 1.0 and would rather toss that shit then upgrade it if they actually put a system in place right?

If I was against it you wouldn't be asking that question, because I would have said so.

Because that is what you're arguing against.

No, I only called out your flawed reasoning and expectations.

I bet if they upgraded it tomorrow you'd be the first person standing in line to get it done.

Maybe. I'll do whatever is within my power and patience to improve my character today and worry about tomorrow when it comes. I will simply do so with the realization that something better/cheaper/easier will be along soon. Welcome to the world of MMOs.

I'm trying to offer something constructive for the community and you're trying to tear it down. Well good for you

The only thing I've torn down is your unreasonable expectation that because you spent a lot on something it should remain relevant in perpetuity.

**predatory** · 04-27-2014 01:13 AM

I don't really care anymore, the devs can go to hell because I won't be doing anything with an upgrade path in the future, If i Doi delve it'll be for accessories. I'll just concentrate of job specific gear, and maybe that occasional niche piece that offers a boost to a stat i'm after. No more delve weapons for me

**Demonjustin** · 04-27-2014 03:45 AM

Predatory, Stompa, when I said you're seeming to complain about the augments I mean that you've repeatedly brought up this 30M that you spent on augments as a reason for why they should be upgraded. My point was if the augments are wiped, what've you gotten? Yay, you got upgraded Mikinaak, but your Airlixir are wasted all the same because the augment is gone. This was the conflictory statement that is why I was basically arguing against it, because it seems pointless to say you're mad you wasted all those Airlixir but if they upgraded the gear and wasted them in a more permanent way that you'd be happy. In either case, I hope they do upgrade these sets at some point, having Bokwus Legs on top again would make me happy since Mes'yohi aren't obtainable(no one does the fight).

As for Stompa specifically, it's not the fix you're looking for but /lockstyle will at least let you keep the same look of Mikinaak if that's what you're after in the end. Still have to waste inventory on it which sucks but it's a work around. Can just throw the set in a macro on it's own, the 5 pieces and /lockstyle then use your normal macros to change back to your normal gear.

**Damane** · 04-27-2014 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Stompa

I know how to build lockstyle macros and normal battle gear macros too. That wasn't the point.

Please, please read my last post, in which I spelled out - just for you - the points I've been making from the start.

I said I would like to have the finished 119 armor sets, and don't mind spending more on them. Also I don't see why they would wipe the augs since they are universal upgrades (same for everyone) and not randomly generated augments (unique to player). But even if they wiped the upgrade augments, I have said I don't mind spending more to upgrade the finished 119 piece. What I mind are the pieces being stuck at 110 and loaded with lixirs, since that is a waste. Being 119 and loaded with (new or old) lixirs is not a waste because I can use the armor and that means it was not a waste. The money is only wasted if I'm not using the gear that I farmed just a year ago. And I spent a long time farming Delve on WHM, on WHM, which is stressful and joyless and miserable and I did that for months to get my gear - which is now useless.

Read the words in my last post slowly. A five-year-old can understand them. Go fetch a five-year-old to explain it to you.

as Devs have pointed out, and i feel the same way like other players. haveing to carry OLD gear around just for upgrades really clusterfucks your inventory to shit. So i really would like that they keep theri take on (as quoted from me on matsui) to toss old gear and go further with no upgradeing gear, ecxept in special occasions (AF Relic Empy). So in all honesty, just let that gear DIAF plox.

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