So i leeched my job to 90 in abyssea

[Karbuncle]

EXP being easier now requires EXP being harder beforehand.

It wasn't. EXP after ToAU was a complete joke.

Edit: It's funny because you haven't made any real arguments or responses aside from "You're delusional", "It's obvious", and "You suck". Butthurt Maat Caps are Butthurt.

Its plainly obvious he is going to do nothing but respond with insults and act mad every time. You may as well just move on.

Arguing with his type will never result in anything good. He's set in his ways and you're set in yours. You'll just butt heads until one of you falls over. The one with the thicker skull will likely win... so.

[Tamoa]

I don't understand why or how some people believe that exping the old-fashioned way automatically makes you better at the job. If we continue using rdm as an example - exactly how does casting haste/refresh/cure in an endless cycle in "regular" exp parties, make you better than someone who leeches the job from 30 to ~75? I have lost count of how many shitty rdms that I have encountered in old-fashioned exp parties - the kind of players who don't pay attention, don't cast haste, start whining when the pld asks for refresh, and that try to skill up elemental magic by nuking instead of keeping people alive. And yet they managed to get to lvl 75 simply because rdm used to be deemed necessary for an exp party, and people put up with their shitty performance way too often. On top of this, they would refuse to take any advice and get all butthurt instead.

These rdms still suck at the job today.

It's not about how you lvld the job. It's about your attitude and ability/willingness to learn.

The difference between lvling in old-fashioned exp parties and leeching a job in abyssea, is the speed of which you level. Nothing else.

[Karbuncle]

I don't understand why or how some people believe that exping the old-fashioned way automatically makes you better at the job. If we continue using rdm as an example - exactly how does casting haste/refresh/cure in an endless cycle in "regular" exp parties, make you better than someone who leeches the job from 30 to ~75? I have lost count of how many shitty rdms that I have encountered in old-fashioned exp parties - the kind of players who don't pay attention, don't cast haste, start whining when the pld asks for refresh, and that try to skill up elemental magic by nuking instead of keeping people alive. And yet they managed to get to lvl 75 simply because rdm used to be deemed necessary for an exp party, and people put up with their shitty performance way too often. On top of this, they would refuse to take any advice and get all butthurt instead.

These rdms still suck at the job today.

It's not about how you lvld the job. It's about your attitude and ability/willingness to learn.

The difference between lvling in old-fashioned exp parties and leeching a job in abyssea, is the speed of which you level. Nothing else.

I made that argument, it was ignored, Yours will be too

[Tamoa]

I made that argument, it was ignored, Yours will be too

Oh I know
Just felt the need to state my opinion. Too many people make it sound like there weren't any stupid/gimp players around before abyssea because everyone had to spend hours and hours on exping their jobs - when in fact there were plenty of them!

[hiko]

Does it bug you when I deem the traditional way the "right way"? Good. I stand by it, and the current state of the game (and forums with 90 BRD asking which skills he needs) stand as my evidence.

a leeched brd asking advice will be better than someone who has been brd for years and still refuse to double march!

[Tenshibaby]

I made that argument, it was ignored, Yours will be too

For a reason.

a leeched brd asking advice will be better than someone who has been brd for years and still refuse to double march!

Any good BRD knows not to blindly feed haste-whores. Then again, this is evidence that people don't understand the jobs anymore. Here's a clue: BRD doesn't involve making decisions like "Raise pressure or lower pressure?" or involve macroed-double-march-and-afk cycling.

[cidbahamut]

I don't understand why or how some people believe that exping the old-fashioned way automatically makes you better at the job. If we continue using rdm as an example - exactly how does casting haste/refresh/cure in an endless cycle in "regular" exp parties, make you better than someone who leeches the job from 30 to ~75? I have lost count of how many shitty rdms that I have encountered in old-fashioned exp parties - the kind of players who don't pay attention, don't cast haste, start whining when the pld asks for refresh, and that try to skill up elemental magic by nuking instead of keeping people alive. And yet they managed to get to lvl 75 simply because rdm used to be deemed necessary for an exp party, and people put up with their shitty performance way too often. On top of this, they would refuse to take any advice and get all butthurt instead.

These rdms still suck at the job today.

It's not about how you lvld the job. It's about your attitude and ability/willingness to learn.

The difference between lvling in old-fashioned exp parties and leeching a job in abyssea, is the speed of which you level. Nothing else.

As a Red Mage I'm gonna take issue with this. If you're a RDM and all you do in an exp party is haste/cure/refresh, then you're probably slacking or fighting little pink birds.

I went from 1 to 72 in exp parties and tried to make sure I used every one of them as a learning experience. You don't learn how to not freeze in a panic situation by leeching. No, taking a few exp parties where things go haywire is much better for learning how to think on the fly so you know when to turn on chainspell and immobilize everything to cover your party's retreat. Yes it can all be learned after you hit the level cap, but there are merits to leveling at a slower pace to give yourself more exposure to the job. The more time you spend with the job the better you can become at it.

At the end of the day it boils down to personal preference. Although I still subscribe to the idea that forcing bad players to level slowly provides more opportunities for them to receive the kick in the head they require.

[Masekase]

As a Red Mage I'm gonna take issue with this. If you're a RDM and all you do in an exp party is haste/cure/refresh, then you're probably slacking or fighting little pink birds.

I went from 1 to 72 in exp parties and tried to make sure I used every one of them as a learning experience. You don't learn how to not freeze in a panic situation by leeching. No, taking a few exp parties where things go haywire is much better for learning how to think on the fly so you know when to turn on chainspell and immobilize everything to cover your party's retreat. Yes it can all be learned after you hit the level cap, but there are merits to leveling at a slower pace to give yourself more exposure to the job. The more time you spend with the job the better you can become at it.

At the end of the day it boils down to personal preference. Although I still subscribe to the idea that forcing bad players to level slowly provides more opportunities for them to receive the kick in the head they require.

Nah you could of learned that on any other job barring chainspell.

[cidbahamut]

Nah you could of learned that on any other job barring chainspell.

You're assuming everyone has more than one job leveled, aren't you?

[Masekase]

You're assuming everyone has more than one job leveled, aren't you?

Yes most people have no need to assume