Make Blue Magic easier to learn?

[Mirage]

If it technically isn't there, then it isn't there.

If there is no evidence of something being in the game, then there is no reason to think that this something is in the game. If there is no evidence of a hidden attribute that we don't know of, there is no reason to think that it exists. Burdern of proof etc.

Would you take my word for it if I said there is a currently unknown statistic that affects hit rate, without wanting to tell anyone how i found this out?

[Blah]

Honestly Mirage, since it IS SE we're talking about, yes since they leave stuff unquantified to make things easier on themselves. And to say that there's "no evidence" of luck being in the game at all? You're just being a might bit close-minded. It is the very thing that drives the thief job or are you going to try to deny that?

[Mirage]

Yeah, why not. In what way does a secret hidden luck stat drive the thief job? Please elaborate.

[Blah]

They're steal, treasure hunter and even gilfinder rely on luck, why are you acting as if it doesn't? Honestly you seem to want to pick a argument just for arguments sake. Just because it isn't quantified (not on our list of stats or abilities) does not mean it isn't-well you know what forget it I'll just say this: I stand by my word there is either a luck attribute or effect at work. It effects all jobs but with jobs of this genre (blue, thief, corsair and any future jobs they come out with like it) it effects them much more. Go on and keep picking an argument about it.

[Deifact]

I guess Mirage probably means that there isn't a luck stat that has an influence. I.e. luck is the same for each player.

It's unlikely that "luck" is weighted in any way that isn't relatively transparent. For example, there's no hidden luck stat given to a character at creation that influences random number generation. (Its unlikely anyway). But treasure hunter does increase the chance of an item dropping, like BLU gloves increase the chance of learning a skill.

It's all pseudo random number generation, but they could increase the 'success' range of RNG when learning blue magic to make it easier.

[Kaiichi]

@Deifact Well I'm glade to be of any help, if any at all. But as far as the learning goes, I personally feel that it is a good balance of sweet and sour. However, I do wish that the NM spells where a little more forgiving as they are NMs, and it takes a bit to even get to them. I do know that there are alternatives, but that rout can be just as time consuming.

[Mirage]

I'll stop picking arguments when you stop being wrong, Blah. Thief does not rely on luck any more than a warrior relies on luck to not miss their targets. There is no evidence of a secret luck stat that affects certain jobs differently than others. Getting a drop on thf isn't affected by a hidden stat, even if you are lucky if you get your wanted drop.

No matter if it is an item drop or an accuracy check, all the game does is roll a virtual dice, and if it lands within a certain range, things happen. The stats that affect these ranges are known for most things (accuracy and evasion for a hit rate roll, drop rate tables for an item drop, with TH affecting this in some way. In this case, it is the TH trait that affects it, not an unknown hidden statistic), and if you think there is an additional unknown stat that affects this range that no one else know about, feel free to produce evidence for it.

[Blah]

I'll stop picking arguments when you stop being wrong, Blah. Thief does not rely on luck any more than a warrior relies on luck to not miss their targets. There is no evidence of a secret luck stat that affects certain jobs differently than others. Getting a drop on thf isn't affected by a hidden stat, even if you are lucky if you get your wanted drop.

No matter if it is an item drop or an accuracy check, all the game does is roll a virtual dice, and if it lands within a certain range, things happen. The stats that affect these ranges are known for most things (accuracy and evasion for a hit rate roll, drop rate tables for an item drop, with TH affecting this in some way. In this case, it is the TH trait that affects it, not an unknown hidden statistic), and if you think there is an additional unknown stat that affects this range that no one else know about, feel free to produce evidence for it.

No, I'm not wrong it's just not quantified so technically you get to "win" the argument which is why you decided to pick it in the 1st place.

[Gannon]

No, I'm not wrong it's just not quantified so technically you get to "win" the argument which is why you decided to pick it in the 1st place.

When you can back your arguments with more than just what you think or how you feel, then you can win. You need to provide cold, hard facts to sway other people to your line of thinking. This is why Mirage wins. Mirage is providing facts that have been proven via player testing or SE explaining over the course of 11 years.

[Blah]

I'll not hijack the thread any longer, I'll simply make another and if you all are still in an argumentative mood you can follow me over there.