A few changes I would like to see.

[Demonjustin]

SoA Stuff

If you don't want to suppose 'evil corporations' then do what has been suggested before already, buy a code rather than the game or the download, then download it via a torrent or other form of online download. Congrats, you got your SoA. The difficulty in doing that which is listed above is non-existent, if you want I can easily send you my download link from Amazon to download the game, if this is one of those so called 'evil corporations' then oh well, guess what, downloading it via this link will not do anything for them since I paid for this day 1 and can redownload it at will. If you are unwilling to do this then perhaps the issue isn't with what SE's doing but rather with you. I do not say this trollingly, I say this as someone who is tired of watching a debate or complaints about a system which isn't even broken and your failure to simply do what need be done to get around that which you do not care to participate in.

[Lithera]

Yes he feels amazon is one of those evil middle man companies. Yet they do a lot of charitable work and their own CEO does even more wonderful things out of their own pocket. Also wants a physical coppy straight from SE but knows that isn't possible unless he has an imported version. Along with feeling that anyone who uses any form of credit has no self controll and will spend more than they can pay back. Then calls us all trolls when he is given various ways of getting what he wants sans the physical part made exclusively by SE. Even when it is more expensive to produce that physical item at a loss to SE themselves. Oh and they're also worried about identity theft. Which could lead some to think they are also afraid of a faulty paper trail, even a digital one. All though that's why one should love the crap out of their security token until the couch eats it and never gives it back.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

I'm just waiting for new details beyond what sound like nothing more than objections to using Steam and credit/debit cards specifically.

And I forgot one more avenue of buying Adoulin, from the people many of us would end up buying it from if it were on disc anyway:
http://www.gamestop.com/pc/games/fin...adoulin/108881

[bungiefanNA]

The specific limitations arent important, From things as having an old computer that cant run steam, that cannot update IE or wont work at all if you do. Im not arguing, im not the one who isnt reading.

The specific details are the MOST important, because they are what give weight to each side of the debate. Nothing can be fixed without knowing details. Go to a doctor and tell them you're sick and want them to fix you, but then answer their request for symptoms with "those specific details aren't important". You can't provide solutions if you don't understand the problem.

Steam isn't required to run the game. IE doesn't have to be updated, there are alternative browsers that can be used instead.

If you buy from SE, you get a DigitalRiver download link, but your money is going straight to SE. If you can't download from there for some reason, there are plenty of other sources for the data files, even another player that already has them installed (just ask for a copy of their ROM9 folder).

I'm not trying to be witty, I'm trying to do what I do for fun, help people fix problems they have with systems I have an aptitude with. Computers are my strength, and I like to help people put them to uses they are interested in. Computers have some limitations, but the main ones I see are those their users perceive them to have, not what they really have. It sounds like your limitations are imposed by you, not by your situation, and there's not much help for that unless you decide to rethink your limits. This information can still be helpful to other people that might get this thread as a search result in the future. Chiming in support for an idea I like isn't as entertaining for me as trying to solve a problem I haven't run across before, or helping someone do something they didn't know how to do before.

[Peepiopi]

Actually my name did'nt come from the Dinobots, but thats a different conversation alltogether. As for D.R.E.M.'s. I have the R(mandau), I have the E(Vere) and working on the M. You can examine me in game, or ask me to show you if you want proof You can keep the Delves, but thats my prefrence. Even if I had the SoA expansion, I would opt out for the others.

Grim~

[side question. sorry to deviate from discussion] Have to ask lol. Grimlock as in GalkFelluz Grimlock with Letty and Greylynx on Seraph back before WotG? I used to play as Monolith on Seraph a while ago before I had to move because of realm mergers. It'd be cool to see an old pal again

[bungiefanNA]

Wow, he actually went and deleted every post he could from the entire forum. He couldn't delete this since it was an entire thread. So much for other players seeing the discussion. I wonder if his LS Children of Spira is all like him...

So it was said that he knew of a computer old enough to not be able to run Steam. I wonder how it would be able to run FFXI then, since Steam's requirements are lower.