Job points = another form of merit points?

[Selindrile]

Getting RoE points would be much more productive in a group, but exping for job points wouldn't, to boot.

[Camiie]

How many people do you see fighting over Mandragora in ceizak when the plantoid roe quest is active?

People have always fought over limited resources and camps. Six-man parties will do the same thing to each other.

Each with their own set of npc`s. Everyone in Wildskeeper Reive with their own personal trust party? These activities would be much more productive if people teamed up together but most choose to just stick with trust and I can't see it changing for job points.

Then what's the point of limiting where people can earn Job Points? If people are just going to do what they want anyway then let them do what they want. Anything else is just insane.

[Mefuki]

its 2007 all over again.

You say that like it would be a good thing.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Everyone in Wildskeeper Reive with their own personal trust party?

For a lot of content numbers trump everything. For me and a friend recently, it was more realistic to disband our party and form two Trust parties to try to get through some annoying Colonization Reives than to try to duo it.

[Mirage]

They could just allow abyssea to give you job points, but at 1/4th the rate of normal abyssea exp.

[MDenham]

now that i think about what you said. your a whm? who doesnt want to heal/haste rotation and stand around waiting for status removal while leveling? what the hell do you play whm for? at least red mage and blue mage were made for such shenanigans.

you sound like "that guy" who is the only healing in the party, mindlessly engaged and trolling everyone because they died to a mikey. Basically not curing anyone and mindlessly skilling up club. ugh w/e. you wanna do that? then do it for you merit points and KIs. have fun. /faceplam.

Except very rarely are people even leveling on things where status removal is an issue. But that's beside the point: I play WHM to do that stuff when it matters, not when I'm leveling (where it doesn't, because leveling should not be the majority of what you're doing).

And as far as worm parties in particular: no, I'm the guy who's like "oh, Mikey's up, time to get rid of him so that he's not getting in the way" and proceeds to engage, CFH, and destroy Mikey in relatively short order, without help from everyone else usually. If I notice someone needs healing, and they're not mindlessly running around like a bozo being impossible to find, I'll heal them... but anymore, worms in Aby don't function like an actual alliance, they function like a pair of keyers supporting a mix of sixteen soloers and AFK idiots. It used to be different. (Not a lot different, but having one or two roaming healers and not splitting everyone up one person to a worm did make a small difference.)

[FaeQueenCory]

アビセアではキャパシティポイントは得られない仕様です。
フィールドのモンスター、もしくは一部のコンテンツのモンスターを倒すことで
キャパシティポイントは得られます。

0_0

I swear... it's one step forward... and four steps back...
"Run needs to be realized as a Tank equal to PLD! Quick, give it's RF2 -DT... BUT ONLY AT 2/3 THE AMOUNT PLDs GET! AND make it cost them their auto-refresh too!"

....
And here I was looking at this thread again cause I was wondering the rate of these meritsV2... 1/kill? 1/10thexp? Insanetrollnumber?
But now... I learn... "trollololol it's EXACTLY like Merits... but you can't get them in Abyssea!! Sure was great how making them KIs Merit-based revived meritburn pts... Better kill them!"
I swear... I honestly can't comprehend this... people blew up everything over how RoE doesn't work in Abyssea... so now they kinda do. (I've stopped needing/doing the timed ones... and rarely go into Abyssea anymore... except for merits... so I have no real clue, but I remember how the xp RoE worked in Abyssea recently.)
Why would you after the response of "why you gotta gimp it like that" go back and do the exact same thing again?

I mean... it was a matter of 3 days before the UPDATE ANNOUNCEMENT that we learned of this... I don't think anyone would have complained about this being delayed so that the abyssea bugs could be worked out... namely because there was no word on this before a few days ago.


EDIT:
Ok... so... I honestly don't comprehend why you peoples be fighting over the inclusion of Abyssea areas... It should be for one simple reason: FREEDOM OF CHOICE
Also known as: Player Agency.
It's 100% your choice to burn a job from 30-99 in abyssea.
I don't do that. Even now where I have multiple jobs at 99 and geared.... I still refuse to set foot in abyssea before 75... and now I can't even argue that I do so to maintain my skills, what with so much overlap between jobs...
There's a whole mess of goldstanding about "oh yeah, back to the 6man pt days of 2005!"... but it's not gonna do that. And you know it won't.
Because Trust exists.
JPs.... >_> Job Points... not Japanese people... Is going to be a solo thing... And that's gonna SUCK.
I can't tell you how many times I've been leveling a job somewhere and someone shows up (or I'm the person who shows up) and there's someone doing the same page... and I say <<Team up?>>
And if I get a response at all.... it's usually <<no>>
This is what Trust has done for leveling... at least for 50-75, from my experience. (All my jobs are either 50, 99 or in the process of being 99'd)
Making JPs not accumulate in Abyssea will just see a rise in soloselfishness... because that's just humans.

Abyssea, currently, promotes full alliances for xp/merit burns because that's the most advantageous form for xp.
Ironically due to the demand in abyburn pts for multiple lights to be capped makes it so that humans will work together....
If Abyssea didn't have that limit, and you could pull out Trusts... do you honestly believe that there would be alliances?
No.
Adoulin has taught me that.
Current 50-75 has taught me that.
Humans will solo with Trusts over duoing with each other... because that's more advantageous. (2ppl pt vs 4ppl pt)

Maybe making Trusts useable with other humans... maybe that will bring back this mythical 6ppl pt nostalgia goggled form of xp... (I remember Valkrum... it was no different than GoV burn or Abyssea burn)
But in all honesty.... it won't.
What I foresee happening... is 18man alliances killing birds/mandies/raptors/whatever wherever for these new merits...
Because I know human nature.
And that is what humans will do.

[Olor]

Eh. I actually don't dislike the idea of restricting from Abyssea. It will spread out parties a bit - though it's not a bad thing to have people in Abyssea since it can be a bit harder to level jobs through that final stretch from 70-99 these days than it used to be ... but really it's not the end of the world.

[Feary]

You say that like it would be a good thing.

yes i do. there was a good balance of content. there were also better players and more than double the population. People progressed at better pace.

of course there were many needs for improvements. there were some content idea that needed to go like 24 hours respawn times. those issues have been fixed.

leveling past 99 is the only thing that is changed and it didnt exist before this update. this is same game with a whole lot of stuff to do that favors different type of content. the "your choice" content factor has not been removed.

again, its a game. you always have a choice.

[Ravenmore]

We should be able to collect these points however we damn well please. The "you have to be 99 and on the specific job" restriction is MORE than enough. People ought to be able to advance their jobs using whatever XP method they prefer. Forcing people into the old leveling methods is just a huge step backward. It's not like people can't still do it that way if they really want to.

Sadly that is what the dev have been hearing since aby came out is "Bring back 6 man grind parties" so can you really blame them for giving people what they want. It's utter BS but when the morons are load enough this is what you get.