Job points = another form of merit points?

[Selindrile]

I haven't played bst in ages, I'm referring to Blu and Mnk which I play most now, but also all other DDs, and Whm which i also play would be an example of one who would want to group, it's not that I couldn't get an invite, it's that getting an invite would slow down my exp in non-aby areas on many jobs.

[MDenham]

why would you want to solo? i mean nothing wrong with coming home and not having time to do a party so you go do what you can with your time.

however why would you not get a party together if you had the time. Play with people.

respawn rates ? lol most mobs that are level 99+ have the right respawn rates. im sure it wouldnt be an issue.

You have clearly never gone out into Ceizak when the "Vanquish Vermin" RoE challenge is going on.

Even with the ~2minute respawn timer, it only supports about four people plus Trusts in any given area.

As far as why I'd rather solo than party for my EXP: I don't necessarily want to just sit around healing people during EXP, and my DD kit for my WHM isn't good enough to warrant bringing it to a party yet. (I need to get either NIN or DNC to 49 and get an Aedold +2 at a minimum first. I'd like to see what in the way of iLevel 115-119 gear SE puts out in the future to support the melee WHM lifestyle as well, since at present that list is extremely short.)

So I'll stick with making EXPing enjoyable for me, thank you. You don't like Abyssea; I don't like sitting around casting Haste every three minutes and not really doing anything else. (And people don't normally level on the kinds of mobs that are "exciting" and mean I actually get to cast more than about four different spells in the party.)

[Karbuncle]

The Eminence 117 gear is excellent Melee Mage gear. The Espial set, its designed for light-armor DD, and has most mages on it, its what my SMN uses, plus the full set gives Critical hit rate+10% which is actually quite nice, especially for stuff like hexastrike.

And not to be pry at your logic, but why level WHM if you don't like healing? That thoroughly confuses me to no end. It seems counterproductive... I personally understand the urge to melee (Melee SMN here brah), but to want nothing to do with partying on WHM simply because you dislike standing around healing which is entirely what the job does... seems like you could avoid it by not being a WHM.

Eh, Idk. I dislike healing in events more than i dislike it in exp parties, at least in parties the chances of people dying are slim, whereas in events the chances are high and they like to all blame you when they die, regardless of their lack of I.lvPDT or anything.

Regardless, Sharur is great melee club, should get that only costs a bajilion gil.

[bungiefanNA]

sounded to me like you need a 99 to get a limit breaker but the job points are job specific, in other words if you have 16 99s you don't need 16 limit breakers. but if you want job points on geo you need to be playing geo to get them. not sure if you can accumulate points in more than 1 job or if this is going to be like Guild points, where starting them on alch means saying goodbye to all the ones you earned on leather.

I read more when I got home on BG. JP update post says level 96+ mobs grant capacity points, so yeah, you have to gain them at high level. Also, 30k capacity points for 1 job point, with a max stored of 200 JP, is 6 million capacity points to top out, and like merits, will probably take more than cap to max out a character. I don't see people maxing out more than one job in the near future.

Also, having capacity points and exp/merit points stack, so you can earn both at once, means you can increase your character stats while farming merit points for new high level battles, like AA/DM/SF. You aren't forced to choose to either farm points for a key item to do a burning circle battle or to increase your abilities.

[MDenham]

The Eminence 117 gear is excellent Melee Mage gear. The Espial set, its designed for light-armor DD, and has most mages on it, its what my SMN uses, plus the full set gives Critical hit rate+10% which is actually quite nice, especially for stuff like hexastrike.

Yeah, I even have a set of that. (I only wear in in Abyssea, though, at this point. Working on getting a Werebuster so I can unlock Mystic Boon, because I've been horrible about that in the past and my soloing style uses more MP than is viable without refresh gear on.)

And not to be pry at your logic, but why level WHM if you don't like healing? That thoroughly confuses me to no end. It seems counterproductive... I personally understand the urge to melee (Melee SMN here brah), but to want nothing to do with partying on WHM simply because you dislike standing around healing which is entirely what the job does... seems like you could avoid it by not being a WHM.

What I dislike is the "standing around, healing on rare occasion and then getting yelled at because rather than spending half my time idle I'd like to contribute at least some damage" way most EXP parties end up. Basically I just have bad memories of being bored to tears because the party would have been better off with no healer and everyone going /DNC instead because there was that little to do on WHM. It was just "cast Haste on everyone, see if someone actually drops into the yellow, start getting 'Haste wears off' messages", and that's not why I took up WHM in the first place :-).

Eh, Idk. I dislike healing in events more than i dislike it in exp parties, at least in parties the chances of people dying are slim, whereas in events the chances are high and they like to all blame you when they die, regardless of their lack of I.lvPDT or anything.

Regardless, Sharur is great melee club, should get that only costs a bajilion gil.

Yeah, I'm holding out of events right now because my ISP is basically high-end WiFi and therefore lags unreasonably at this point. This is also part of why I'm avoiding parties at this point - the lag spikes get bad enough that I literally can't talk to anyone (specifically, it just acts like I'm not typing at all - movement works, other typing doesn't, I'm massively confused other than that it's in "crowded" areas for fairly low values of crowded), and that ruins what social aspect there is to partying. Aside from the lag issue, though, I miss the whole "I'm on the ball with practically everything" nature of events.

Really, I think the whole thing boils down to - at least in part - a little bit of adrenaline-junkie syndrome, where trying to pull stuff off by the skin of your teeth is more fun than just the "and here we go again, just like clockwork", feels-like-a-9-to-5-job way a lot of people play this game. If we die, well, there's always next time. (As a result, I don't generally do things that are expensive to get into - too much opportunity cost for my blood at this point, especially with the previously-mentioned connection bullshit.)

And a Sharur (or, deity-of-choice willing, a Sharur +1... only costs a kidney, an arm, a leg, and your firstborn child :-D) would be wonderful, but for the time being I'll keep my sights down at the lower end of the iLevel 119 weapon range.

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Unrelated comment: why the hell is ranger on Wayfarer but not Espial? :-D

[Feary]

We should be able to collect these points however damn well we please. The "you have to be 99 and on the specific job" restriction is MORE than enough. People ought to be able to advance their jobs using whatever XP method they prefer. Forcing people into the old leveling methods is just a huge step backward. It's not like people can't still do it that way if they really want to.

300k/hr vs 30k/hr. is that really a choice? id like to think you have the common sense to figure that out.

um its the new and improved for level 99 " merit system" of course you have to be 99 to use it. that is not a restriction. this is just clarifying that it is meant for 99+ and you need to have a job at 99.

i dont think its being forceful. i look at it as spreading content around by making real use of it. mobs that will never get touched.

just change the leveling scope and not just what you are going to do for yourself.

you level 1-30 in FoV/Gov, hop to abyssea 30+, at 99 you gear up doing tier end game content while exp burning your favorite jobs with a new merit/job point system.

rinse repeat.

its 2007 all over again. with better gear, better enhanced jobs and most system to feed into you can experience all the different types of experience points.

while we are beefing up on the grind of exp/merits/sparks/RoE obj. s.e can be making harder content. that doesnt cap in 2-3 months like delve.

[Feary]

You have clearly never gone out into Ceizak when the "Vanquish Vermin" RoE challenge is going on.

Even with the ~2minute respawn timer, it only supports about four people plus Trusts in any given area.

As far as why I'd rather solo than party for my EXP: I don't necessarily want to just sit around healing people during EXP, and my DD kit for my WHM isn't good enough to warrant bringing it to a party yet. (I need to get either NIN or DNC to 49 and get an Aedold +2 at a minimum first. I'd like to see what in the way of iLevel 115-119 gear SE puts out in the future to support the melee WHM lifestyle as well, since at present that list is extremely short.)

So I'll stick with making EXPing enjoyable for me, thank you. You don't like Abyssea; I don't like sitting around casting Haste every three minutes and not really doing anything else. (And people don't normally level on the kinds of mobs that are "exciting" and mean I actually get to cast more than about four different spells in the party.)

yes i have done vermin out there. just not on whm when i have 21 other jobs because that would be asinine.

first of all. i do like abyssea as a concept. i like getting 300k/hr and getting shit done fast. That does mean im oblivious to what its has done to the playerbase and culture leveling in this game.

restricting this from abyssea for me would be like having my cake and eatting it too. where i can exp in abyssea and grind out job points/sparks elsewhere. it would be fun. different and enjoyable because i get to not only play with friends but not have to deal with afks/leechers and carrying worm pts because need job points.

The only thing i dont like about abyssea is you can level from 30 to cap merits. Coming out of that with no skill level and not have learned a damn thing about game mechanics because you were cleaning your house while some desperate 85 bsts and odd jobs killed worms while you "filled the party"

now that i think about what you said. your a whm? who doesnt want to heal/haste rotation and stand around waiting for status removal while leveling? what the hell do you play whm for? at least red mage and blue mage were made for such shenanigans.

you sound like "that guy" who is the only healing in the party, mindlessly engaged and trolling everyone because they died to a mikey. Basically not curing anyone and mindlessly skilling up club. ugh w/e. you wanna do that? then do it for you merit points and KIs. have fun. /faceplam.

[Sasaraixx]

I want to know where this information excluding Abyssea was obtained. The Japanese post for [Dev1188] is at: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-「ジョブポイント」について and I've ran it through both Google and Bing translators. There is no mention whatsoever regarding "Abyssesa" specifically; barring that there's no mention for anything related to "Cannot earn" or "Not able to" anything. The translated JP text mirrors the EN post besides weird grammar; in fact, comparing the two posts they're identical in layout and style, there's not a sentence missed anywhere.

That is because you are looking at the wrong post. You need to read Lomloon's response to the thread [dev1188] 「ジョブポイント」について started on March 6th, not the original post from March 5th. (For some reason I can't cut and paste the link.) The response is on the first page. The relevant text is:

アビセアではキャパシティポイントは得られない仕様です。
フィールドのモンスター、もしくは一部のコンテンツのモンスターを倒すことで
キャパシティポイントは得られます。

Edit: Actually I can copy the link. It just looks very strange
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...065#post497065

[Camiie]

Old levelling methods? You mean requiring you to be at the keyboard while you level a job, that method?

What part of "however we damn well please" was too hard for you to understand? What part of that led you to believe I ONLY meant Abyssea? You do realize there are more methods of gaining XP than Abyssea and 6-man grind parties, don't you? Do I need to list them for you? But, yes Abyssea should certainly be included, and contrary to what you believe, some of us take very active roles when we XP there. After all if everyone was leeching no one would be gaining XP.

Abyssea exp is boring, even if they don't lock out abyssea from job points I won't be doing them in there.

That's the cool thing about having choices and freedom. You do it your way and I do it mine. There is not now nor has there ever been anything stopping you and the countless other rabid fans of 6-man grind parties from grinding till your fingers and eyes bled. You all just seem to want others to be forced into your favored method because it's good for you. Even though there are SOOOOOO many of you who want to play this way you still seem to need SE to tie a steak around your neck so us lowly dogs will play with you.

And it won't force people back into old style exp parties either, people would rather team up with their trust npc`s than some guy doing the EXACT same eminence quest as them so I doubt very much they`re gonna team up with them for job points.

Gee, I can't imagine why they'd want to avoid teaming up with you.

300k/hr vs 30k/hr. is that really a choice? id like to think you have the common sense to figure that out.

Maybe you guys don't love 6-man grind parties as much as you say you do then if you allow your love of efficiency trump your love of 6-manning.

But, you know I have said that I think double XP should be the norm, so while you guys seem to have a problem with people playing in Abyssea, I have no problem with you guys getting absurd amounts of XP by doing what you love.

um its the new and improved for level 99 " merit system" of course you have to be 99 to use it. that is not a restriction. this is just clarifying that it is meant for 99+ and you need to have a job at 99.

You really want to parse words? If you HAVE to be a certain thing then yes that is a restriction. Notice I never said it was a bad restriction, but to say it isn't one is just absurd.

i dont think its being forceful. i look at it as spreading content around by making real use of it. mobs that will never get touched.

How is that spreading it around? Spreading it around means you do it where and how you like. Personally I like Campaign. Why can't I earn job points there? What about Voidwatch? Is that too "leechy" for you?

just change the leveling scope and not just what you are going to do for yourself.

Huh? What does the second part of that sentence mean?

you level 1-30 in FoV/Gov, hop to abyssea 30+, at 99 you gear up doing tier end game content while exp burning your favorite jobs with a new merit/job point system.

rinse repeat.

Sounds rather limiting. Tanaka would be proud.

its 2007 all over again. with better gear, better enhanced jobs and most system to feed into you can experience all the different types of experience points.

while we are beefing up on the grind of exp/merits/sparks/RoE obj. s.e can be making harder content. that doesnt cap in 2-3 months like delve.

Follow point A to point B. No deviations!

[Calatilla]

How many people do you see fighting over Mandragora in ceizak when the plantoid roe quest is active? Each with their own set of npc`s. Everyone in Wildskeeper Reive with their own personal trust party? These activities would be much more productive if people teamed up together but most choose to just stick with trust and I can't see it changing for job points.