Job points = another form of merit points?

[Feary]

I would really hate if this was restricted from abyssea, I don't want to solo for ages on some jobs just because it's more efficient than grouping, or go through the hassle of trying to drag someone else's "would be more efficient soloing" jobs down if I'm on one that's not, meh.

i guess you have a perspective that because your main is bst that you will have to solo because you wont get invite.

personally, charm solo was the best thing about bst and has been gone for a very long time. i dont mind it, i also dont mind playing my other jobs when i didnt want to solo on bst.

honestly, making a party and getting bst friends together wont be a bad thing.

i know if this is allowed in abyssea, soloing will be more efficient than grouping. Playerbase has learned how to farm Sparks solo, and have been doing so for months now. it would not be difficult to just go switch to thier gear job and not need to invite anyone because abyssea is so easy to get exp.

if you have to " drag " someone to help you or anyone you know wouldnt include you because of your job/efficiency. then you need better friends.

I very much agree with this. Specifically the Abyssea restriction, party, and chains. I have played off and on since launch, and have heard multiple people, friends and strangers, make the comment that "Abyssea Killed FFXI". I thought that they were making reference to the 99 level limit. I recently reached 99 on my third job, and this time, for the first time, I did a Abyssea grind from 75 - 99. I now see what they were referring too. I will only be doing that on jobs I don't like much lol. It is a fast way to level, but not much fun...at all...like 0...feels dirty...like cheating lol.

My fear being that 30,000 points will just not take a lot of time to grind out. My small 5 man party hit 180k/hr with just one BLM in sparks gear doing the nuking. I can only imagine what a full party/alliance would be making per hour.

(30,000 x 30 = 900,000)/180,000 = 6 hours. That is a time frame that I personally think is too short. But, hey, some people just want to customize, some want to just min/max, and some like to gind. I like all three. But, I'm pretty sure I am not the norm.

honestly, i think 6 hours of parting a necessary evil. Playerbase always will party this much, the only different is how far they get in this time and slowing down progession is a good thing.

we arent getting higher than 99 and this job point system is the way to break that. we got ilvl gear now we get ilvled abilities. this is content ppl will do, why not make it with some difficulty.

i often find myself in situations where content is not enough, the difficulty is mediocre at most and time it takes me to complete it is no small that i often become bored.
which pushes me to play other jobs. i can use this system to better favorite jobs and still have more to do a month two 3 later.

I like not knowing where the end to this is. i like not knowing if i will get what i need done. it allows to me to appreciate my past progress.

most content and especially abyssea i can just go in for 90 mins or less and cap my merits/exp. done. 5 days after work and never exp again.

i can mindlessly play my job(s) for the next few months and have it get somewhere without feeling done. By the time the next update comes around the majority of the playerbase has burned throught the entire job system and afk in jueno.

I will direct you to the image in the first post.

You can hold up to two hundred job points on any given job at a time based on that image. So that's 6,000,000 capacity points needed before you have to go dump job points.

As far as chains... Uh. Solo chain 300+ (or, rather, "solo" because I'm pretty sure it was done with Trust NPCs) in Rala Waterways is a thing. The problem with taking a full EXP party at this point is slowing down kills to avoid getting slapped down by the respawn rate, which is admittedly very fast in Seekers areas, but it's still possible to run into it repeatedly.

why would you want to solo? i mean nothing wrong with coming home and not having time to do a party so you go do what you can with your time.

however why would you not get a party together if you had the time. Play with people.

respawn rates ? lol most mobs that are level 99+ have the right respawn rates. im sure it wouldnt be an issue.

Disagree completely. Allow Abyssea, but also bring back double XP. This would give everybody more options.

Also, since so much of the game currently revolves around XP, please raise the merit point limit above 30.

Double exp is not a replacement for abyseea exp. its not even comparable. double exp was nice for dynamis trials and killing in majarmi birds to cap exp. however that is one camp.

Well, the dev post on the JP forum today just confirmed that you will not be able to obtain capacity points in Abyssea. There goes that dream then.

I think it is a good move actually. I really have not played much at all the last few months, but this is the kind of thing that would get me to log in someone frequently. You can do it alone, at your own pace and *hopefully* enhance your favorite jobs by a noticeable degree.

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

Wouldn't get me to party more, frankly all I've been doing lately is playing the game solo, doing quests to get trust npc's, soloing dyna and limbus on SMN cause I can, doing GoV pages with my trust NPC's. And just by doing that and having a bunch of RoE active I've been making a ton of exp just by doing what I'd normally be doing, I've made around 20 merit points so far. I really don't see the need to make grind parties, in or out of abyssea, when you can just play the game and get exp now.

SMN is not like it was at 75 or even 99. Gear is much much much much better. Make a party with some friends. hell if level sync works i can see smn burns coming back.

its not like smn is your only job, use your job selection to compliment your jobs.

of course its going to be a grind in or out abyssea. its a grind now. you may not notice because you are already head of the curve.

Not that Trust hasn't thoroughly killed the mechanic already, but it sounds like you won't accrue the new points while under Level Sync.

it probably will be one or the other. either way, why would you want to solo? it will be slower and lonely.

[Glamdring]

I approve in general, but until I see what the actual choices are I'm not going to start cheering, there are some incredibly stupid merit point options, and some incredibly useful options that were deliberately not offerred. in other words, need the info!

[Glamdring]

How does it sound like that. They say you need one job at 99 with a Limit Breaker to unlock the points. It seems that leveling any job after getting that Job Breaker item gives you the points, so you can earn them on the way to 99 with a new job. It's a reward for maxing one job out. You may not be able to spend the points until level 99, but you can rack up a bunch on the way there.

sounded to me like you need a 99 to get a limit breaker but the job points are job specific, in other words if you have 16 99s you don't need 16 limit breakers. but if you want job points on geo you need to be playing geo to get them. not sure if you can accumulate points in more than 1 job or if this is going to be like Guild points, where starting them on alch means saying goodbye to all the ones you earned on leather.

[detlef]

Well, the dev post on the JP forum today just confirmed that you will not be able to obtain capacity points in Abyssea. There goes that dream then.

Oh well, so it is. We might see some serious congestion. I think overall it's a good move, but Job Points (along with Ark Angels and such) are putting such a huge emphasis on grinding XP that I'm not sure it's 100% a good thing.

Double exp is not a replacement for abyseea exp. its not even comparable. double exp was nice for dynamis trials and killing in majarmi birds to cap exp. however that is one camp.

I'm not going to bother arguing this point, but let's just say that despite what you say, Adoulin XP was very attractive and popular for some reason.

[Camiie]

We should be able to collect these points however we damn well please. The "you have to be 99 and on the specific job" restriction is MORE than enough. People ought to be able to advance their jobs using whatever XP method they prefer. Forcing people into the old leveling methods is just a huge step backward. It's not like people can't still do it that way if they really want to.

[Lyandra]

Well, the dev post on the JP forum today just confirmed that you will not be able to obtain capacity points in Abyssea. There goes that dream then.

I want to know where this information excluding Abyssea was obtained. The Japanese post for [Dev1188] is at: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...-「ジョブポイント」について and I've ran it through both Google and Bing translators. There is no mention whatsoever regarding "Abyssesa" specifically; barring that there's no mention for anything related to "Cannot earn" or "Not able to" anything. The translated JP text mirrors the EN post besides weird grammar; in fact, comparing the two posts they're identical in layout and style, there's not a sentence missed anywhere.

I would doubt S-E would exclude any zone from treatment to any bonus system, especially ones that had to be bought separately. I for one don't want to go back to old-style 2008 EXP parties, where any spot supported three max parties and people had to Flash/Lullaby/Stun claims as they spawned. Now as for going back to old-school style 6-man parties in general, then count me in, because that brings back the dynamics of party-play that the game was originally designed for!

[Calatilla]

We should be able to collect these points however damn well we please. The "you have to be 99 and on the specific job" restriction is MORE than enough. People ought to be able to advance their jobs using whatever XP method they prefer. Forcing people into the old leveling methods is just a huge step backward. It's not like people can't still do it that way if they really want to.

Old levelling methods? You mean requiring you to be at the keyboard while you level a job, that method? Abyssea exp is boring, even if they don't lock out abyssea from job points I won't be doing them in there.

And it won't force people back into old style exp parties either, people would rather team up with their trust npc`s than some guy doing the EXACT same eminence quest as them so I doubt very much they`re gonna team up with them for job points.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

How does it sound like that.

• Currently be a job of level 99

That "currently" to me sounds like the job itself must "currently" be 99, and not under any sort of restriction.

[leorez]

Old levelling methods? You mean requiring you to be at the keyboard while you level a job, that method? Abyssea exp is boring, even if they don't lock out abyssea from job points I won't be doing them in there.

And it won't force people back into old style exp parties either, people would rather team up with their trust npc`s than some guy doing the EXACT same eminence quest as them so I doubt very much they`re gonna team up with them for job points.

honestly i laughed a little when i read that, people are pretty lazy it seems, always want things handed to them the easy way. Probably explains FF14 >.> ....and pretty much any recent MMO.

[Lyandra]

That "currently" to me sounds like the job itself must "currently" be 99, and not under any sort of restriction.

It sounds to me like "currently, as in you must have this job at 99 to use this feature." Like for Limit Points: "You must currently have a job at 75 in order to earn limit points." You don't literally have to have the job at 99 to earn Job Points, it just must be 99 in order to participate. Like you know, earning limit points under a level cap of 25 while the job is really at 99.