Job points = another form of merit points?

[Feary]

You say that like it would be a good thing.

yes i do. there was a good balance of content. there were also better players and more than double the population. People progressed at better pace.

of course there were many needs for improvements. there were some content idea that needed to go like 24 hours respawn times. those issues have been fixed.

leveling past 99 is the only thing that is changed and it didnt exist before this update. this is same game with a whole lot of stuff to do that favors different type of content. the "your choice" content factor has not been removed.

again, its a game. you always have a choice.

[Ravenmore]

We should be able to collect these points however we damn well please. The "you have to be 99 and on the specific job" restriction is MORE than enough. People ought to be able to advance their jobs using whatever XP method they prefer. Forcing people into the old leveling methods is just a huge step backward. It's not like people can't still do it that way if they really want to.

Sadly that is what the dev have been hearing since aby came out is "Bring back 6 man grind parties" so can you really blame them for giving people what they want. It's utter BS but when the morons are load enough this is what you get.

[Feary]

Sadly that is what the dev have been hearing since aby came out is "Bring back 6 man grind parties" so can you really blame them for giving people what they want. It's utter BS but when the morons are load enough this is what you get.

i can say the same about 95% percent of content. there are many different types and in some cases,useless content based on half thought out idea posted by casual players.

For example Delve. 70k plasm per win with unlimited amount of times you can enter created and magnified the huge player skill gap. where anyone who was remotely decent earned wins and won a regular basis. vs those who werent and never got any of the content done. when the players winning finished, they moved on and no longer could/would carry and show those newer player how its done. which lead to the many posts in this forum.

its now scaled, yet the same issues that those players have still apply. if you couldnt win it in alliance you still cant win. in fact the to "easing" content doesnt do any thing for casual who dont put in the time to gear appropriately. they complain and whine about its difficult and time and time again the only player benefiting are the players who already got off their laziness and put time in their job. basically you all complained about the difficulty of delve for months and they ease the content which lead you to find out you still still dont make the cut. (like most alliance leader were saying). Ironically, that update only benefited decent players who no longder to wait on players to form an alliance or have subpar players who dont "get it" try to join and mess stuff up.


tldr learn the play the game, enjoy it for what it is and stop trying to take hte easy way out through adjustments.

[Selindrile]

I haven't played bst in ages, I'm referring to Blu and Mnk which I play most now, but also all other DDs, and Whm which i also play would be an example of one who would want to group, it's not that I couldn't get an invite, it's that getting an invite would slow down my exp in non-aby areas on many jobs.

[Karbuncle]

The Eminence 117 gear is excellent Melee Mage gear. The Espial set, its designed for light-armor DD, and has most mages on it, its what my SMN uses, plus the full set gives Critical hit rate+10% which is actually quite nice, especially for stuff like hexastrike.

And not to be pry at your logic, but why level WHM if you don't like healing? That thoroughly confuses me to no end. It seems counterproductive... I personally understand the urge to melee (Melee SMN here brah), but to want nothing to do with partying on WHM simply because you dislike standing around healing which is entirely what the job does... seems like you could avoid it by not being a WHM.

Eh, Idk. I dislike healing in events more than i dislike it in exp parties, at least in parties the chances of people dying are slim, whereas in events the chances are high and they like to all blame you when they die, regardless of their lack of I.lvPDT or anything.

Regardless, Sharur is great melee club, should get that only costs a bajilion gil.

[MDenham]

The Eminence 117 gear is excellent Melee Mage gear. The Espial set, its designed for light-armor DD, and has most mages on it, its what my SMN uses, plus the full set gives Critical hit rate+10% which is actually quite nice, especially for stuff like hexastrike.

Yeah, I even have a set of that. (I only wear in in Abyssea, though, at this point. Working on getting a Werebuster so I can unlock Mystic Boon, because I've been horrible about that in the past and my soloing style uses more MP than is viable without refresh gear on.)

And not to be pry at your logic, but why level WHM if you don't like healing? That thoroughly confuses me to no end. It seems counterproductive... I personally understand the urge to melee (Melee SMN here brah), but to want nothing to do with partying on WHM simply because you dislike standing around healing which is entirely what the job does... seems like you could avoid it by not being a WHM.

What I dislike is the "standing around, healing on rare occasion and then getting yelled at because rather than spending half my time idle I'd like to contribute at least some damage" way most EXP parties end up. Basically I just have bad memories of being bored to tears because the party would have been better off with no healer and everyone going /DNC instead because there was that little to do on WHM. It was just "cast Haste on everyone, see if someone actually drops into the yellow, start getting 'Haste wears off' messages", and that's not why I took up WHM in the first place :-).

Eh, Idk. I dislike healing in events more than i dislike it in exp parties, at least in parties the chances of people dying are slim, whereas in events the chances are high and they like to all blame you when they die, regardless of their lack of I.lvPDT or anything.

Regardless, Sharur is great melee club, should get that only costs a bajilion gil.

Yeah, I'm holding out of events right now because my ISP is basically high-end WiFi and therefore lags unreasonably at this point. This is also part of why I'm avoiding parties at this point - the lag spikes get bad enough that I literally can't talk to anyone (specifically, it just acts like I'm not typing at all - movement works, other typing doesn't, I'm massively confused other than that it's in "crowded" areas for fairly low values of crowded), and that ruins what social aspect there is to partying. Aside from the lag issue, though, I miss the whole "I'm on the ball with practically everything" nature of events.

Really, I think the whole thing boils down to - at least in part - a little bit of adrenaline-junkie syndrome, where trying to pull stuff off by the skin of your teeth is more fun than just the "and here we go again, just like clockwork", feels-like-a-9-to-5-job way a lot of people play this game. If we die, well, there's always next time. (As a result, I don't generally do things that are expensive to get into - too much opportunity cost for my blood at this point, especially with the previously-mentioned connection bullshit.)

And a Sharur (or, deity-of-choice willing, a Sharur +1... only costs a kidney, an arm, a leg, and your firstborn child :-D) would be wonderful, but for the time being I'll keep my sights down at the lower end of the iLevel 119 weapon range.

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Unrelated comment: why the hell is ranger on Wayfarer but not Espial? :-D

[Calatilla]

How many people do you see fighting over Mandragora in ceizak when the plantoid roe quest is active? Each with their own set of npc`s. Everyone in Wildskeeper Reive with their own personal trust party? These activities would be much more productive if people teamed up together but most choose to just stick with trust and I can't see it changing for job points.

[Camiie]

How many people do you see fighting over Mandragora in ceizak when the plantoid roe quest is active?

People have always fought over limited resources and camps. Six-man parties will do the same thing to each other.

Each with their own set of npc`s. Everyone in Wildskeeper Reive with their own personal trust party? These activities would be much more productive if people teamed up together but most choose to just stick with trust and I can't see it changing for job points.

Then what's the point of limiting where people can earn Job Points? If people are just going to do what they want anyway then let them do what they want. Anything else is just insane.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

Everyone in Wildskeeper Reive with their own personal trust party?

For a lot of content numbers trump everything. For me and a friend recently, it was more realistic to disband our party and form two Trust parties to try to get through some annoying Colonization Reives than to try to duo it.