Automaton massacre: The need for some form of Automaton damage mitigation

[Feary]

This highlighted quote also applies to most DD except MNK, they have been excluded from events for a long while now. I have a decent WAR but nobody will take it over a well-geared MNK. Lots of jobs are excluded from mono-content including Pup.

Your avatar lists MNK as your main job, so you could use that in events requiring a heavy DD, and most events would take you over other DD jobs in a flash. PUP was never designed as a party-based heavy DD in the way that MNK is, it is possible that you played MNK as main and are concerned that PUP is not as relevant in events, which is true. Pup was always a technical job, not a brute force job, and this dates back to the birth of Pup in 06~.

In AA for example, I am always asked to go WHM, sometimes THF, only a few times have I been told Pup is OK to bring, but I am used to that because people want brute-force DDs, PLDs or WHMs in events, and Pup has been this situational pet job for the eight years I've played it - its nothing new. And the fundamental thing is that Pup was never suited to certain situations, while it excelled in others. So it isn't news and I'm never surprised when people want MNKs and I'm told to bring my WHM lol. Because Pup is a versatile tinkerer job and it *never was* what people wanted as primary DD or tank etc.

BST is the same, it was never a heavy DD job, it was a highly risky pet job where a few mis-charms resulted in the Bst dying, and jugpets died in six hits. Stout Servant patch changed the pet job situation regarding pets dying so fast. But the three main pet jobs were never welcome in XP parties for example, Bst were hated, Pup was mocked and bullied, Smn had to go around for years with "Back-up cures / Do you need it?" in their LFP comments and use all their MP spamming cure II for hours just to get an xp party. In many ways Pup and Bst fared the same in events. That is because those jobs were never like MNK, which is the classic brute-force DD.

Re; automatons specifically they are small machines and if you own a laptop you will know how easily they break. They are not heavily armored Paladins, or brute-force monks, they are just small tinkered contraptions and when they were added to the game this was reflected in them dying so fast. But Pups learned to adjust by using the autos strategically in situational ways, and over the years Pup became the best kiting job and the best target-kill job for timed battles where you have to ignore the adds and kill the boss only. Pup is a very powerful job but only in the right situations, and this is a technical matter relating to the nature of it being a small machine.

I will just say, as my final offering, I don't disagree with you on any deep level and I see your points which are valid, and I don't have anything against SE buffing autos if that is what they want to do. I'm just saying that Pup was never a brute force DD or a supertank job, it is a quirky pet job with lots of variable playstyles and strengths/weaknesses depending on the situation.

LOOOLLLLLLLLLL. Random shout party wont invite me on my war. LOLLLLLLLLL so lets /whine and compare two totally different situations.

why is every post about someone being mistreated by job selection. its never just about the job or Player skill. Here there is a legitimate claim to pup and you must bash it.

if your playing skill and networking is decent you will get invites on WAR. Like all the other DD excluding BST or PUP and by extension SMN. They are pet jobs and excel/built as solo jobs and have a niche.

Stop trying to compare apples to oranges.

bst/Pup will never be sight out for the highest content or anything over ILvL 110. Like Delve or Skirmish, basically anything worth doing in a party setup 6 or higher. If they are its only because the group of players are being sympathetic to the player.

the reason why? it will require a strategy too accommodating to the PUP and not the other 5+ ppl in the pt. like an all pet burn.

like Balloon is trying to post. Maneuvering as JA and choose maneuvers for attachments is so detrimental to pup. it cant even been considered as a low to mid end DD. You are just stuck trying to either support your Automaton, sacrificing DPS or not using your Automation because its dead. again sacrificing DPS.

this is why PUP is truly LOLPUP.

Thank you balloon for pointing this out. hopefully. they take your posting in to serious consideration.

ps this is why i lol at all the pup because they have no idea why thier job is bad. instead of explaining this to them. i just troll them and say lolpup.

if you are claim to be a serious pup and dont know this about your job. then you arent a serious pup.

[Feary]

No, I do runs with my LS. And they go with MNKs for DD, or all-mage parties. They don't want WARs, and they rarely accept PUPs. But you can ignore the bigger fact that most shout parties also prefer MNKs over other DD if you want, we can all pretend this doesn't happen if it makes you happy.



Thats the old insulting term that made Pups excluded from xp parties in the old days, and made some Pups quit the game in disgust. Good to see you are keeping the prejudice alive. Infact there's nothing lol about Pup. I used to get requests to solo Cop "magic pots" battle for people who were stuck on the mission, on my Pup four years ago, because the deactivate system made Pup the only reliable job to solo it. Also I solo'd WOTG last boss on my pup for people who were stuck on that mission, years ago, again because Pup's deus-ex kiting ability made it soloable when most other jobs found it impossible to solo. Solo'd T4 black dragon on Pup, which is a tough mob to solo because of bio aura and HP-down etc. it was a very hard battle to solo even a year ago and theres nothing "lolpup" about it. And btw I did all that using the "slow" maneuvers system which isn't a problem at all unless you are a very impatient person.



Thats pretty childish, plus I never claimed to be anything, I said I've played Pup for eight years. And in 2006/2007 I had to solo and duo Pup to 75, incredibly slowly, because of the "lolpup" myth created by elitist snobs, which meant Pup didn't get invited to xp parties so we solo'd / duoed to lvl 75 very slowly. You learn a lot more about the job soloing it to 75 than you learn by keying in Altepa[a] btw.

My first post here was offering advice because the OP was complaining about his auto dying. I merely pointed out a strat that works for me to keep that auto alive. He then said his auto died in the new colo rieves, so I offered my experiences on that which is that my whm auto hasnt died in that rieve and he could try this strat.

I was actually trying to be helpful at the start of this thread, because I haven't had the problems this OP has got and I offered my strat to try and help him. But then it got ugly and now we're back to "lolpup" and "you aren't a serious pup" and this other childish playground insults.

i'm not pretending it doesnt happen. you're pretending its because its your a war or rather a non-mnk. there are other factors, which in your grand scheme of thinking "if i want to do content its my damn right to play whatever job desired/ regardless of my progress or battle strategy." you will never agree with those factors because it doesn't serve your purpose so you will try to disprove/ignore.

The fact that you mention that you are in a linkshell and they still dont invite you. i think that serves to reflection of your own abilities, your linkshell leader(s) character and not a job abilities.

which leads to me to my original point, the one you think is childish. lolpup is not a myth, Pup has been given the nickname Lolpup for two reasons. one is the job abilities in the grand scheme of job selections and two the abilities for players to understand how to play the job. Most people who play pup are fans and not really players who want to get somewhere.

IMO Pup as a concept is awesome and to play it is unique and entertaining. therefore making it a novelty. Nevertheless, i find it fun but in actuality i know its lackluster. although, i have all the AF(s) 5/5, animators,endgame gear, All attachments and took the time to skill it up without pages. i would never suggest or demand i go pup or any job to content that i know another jobs would be better at. i'm just not that selfish or self-centered. ironically, i find that people who do this are childish. i look at the whole picture of 22 jobs and the battle strategy not the one job in the the stragedy of i want to play in that moment. Over the years, its been getting better, much better. either way, which is why balloon made such a post, because it needs improvement. Namely, the JA Delay from constant use of maneuvers and having to favor attachment elements.

yes you give many many many examples why players arent pup effectively and how they dont know how to play etc etc, yes i agree that is the bigger issue. however this issues you have mentioned can be solved with exposure to the job, educating the playerbase of the pup strengths and weakness.

the real important issues balloon and i have mentioned cannot be solve this way, it must be solved by s.e making a job adjustment.

p.s sorry to other ppl in post, i only read his comments to me and hit reply.