Please remove COP requirements on reforged relic and AF

[Zarchery]

There it is again! Ignoring all points of the post and summing it up as "I don't like it."

What was the point of even answering if no matter what I said, you were going to reply with that?

I'm going to sleep, my brain can only handle so much troll in one sitting.

Guy who disagrees with you = troll. May I start calling you Inafking? Anyway, rhetorical question, I'm tired of this fight.

[Xantavia]

You know what could put the fun back in doing CoP instead of feeling like a chore? Don't do it while level 99, wearing sparks gear. Pick a job that isn't capped so there is some real danger in the zones you have to go through. Trying to sneak your way past true sight/sound mobs that'll eat your face if you get caught puts a whole different spin on the journey. At this point, getting the next cutscene isn't guaranteed might put some adventure back in your life.

[Demonjustin]

There's a lot of things that are going to turn off new players. Most of them I think have to do with content that requires groups but that few people are interested in doing, like Delve or certain Assaults or some of the colonization reives blocking people or atmas and abyssites. I doubt a set of entirely soloable missions is probably not gonna be one of them. You can use "it will turn away new players" to justify any change.

Really? You don't think telling a player that they have to go through what you said yourself is 8 hours of CSs, let alone all of the running around, talking to NPCs, farming up meaningless items for a quest off of monsters you can kill in a single hit, and battlefields that are a flat out joke now days, all so they can get some entry level gear, would turn them off of this game? You are talking about someone coming to play this game who is being told they have to go do boring solo content just so they can get some gear even if they have already obtained everything else required, and not some solo content that takes 10 minutes, but something that will take them days.

If you doubt that these missions are going to be one of the things that turn people away from this game, you're wrong, I mean hell, I have played for years and I can't even motivate myself to level this character I use to post anymore because it's just a boring grind I do alone, and when I get to 99 what will I do? Buy Espial, buy Wayfarers, and go do RotZ and CoP so I can get Suppa, Brutal, Rajas, and my RF gear. None of it at all seems fun to me, and I have done it all before, I know how to do it quickly, what warps to pick up on my way by, and have people or other characters even I can use to help me if I actually need to. If I can't stand to do it even though I have played this game for years, what makes you think a new player won't be turned away by the same exact things when they could easily play another MMO and have 0 attachment to this one?

[Demonjustin]

Your argument is flawed. You are saying "CoP requirement is unacceptable because it's content I don't like, but Rem's chapters and crafting items are okay because it's content I do like". What if Joe Blow over there doesn't like farming sparks or doing the fights? On your logic, "I don't like it" is the only reason you need to eschew a requirement. You really just keep coming off as a whiny neurotic sloth saying over and over "I don't want to do what is required, but I want all the benefits anyway!"

Good god it's not about being liked or not liked it's about being meaningful. Level 75 cap content which can be soloed with your eyes closed is not meaningful, it is not fun, it is not in any way entertaining, it is boring plain and simple. Doing Rem Chapters is fine, why? Simple, it's from level 99 content, more specifically, it is from level 99~119 content depending on the difficulty level you do the fights on, which means the battles are not only current content meant for the current level cap, but that they can be challenging and entertaining fights.

They are fine because they have that sense of actually doing something meaningful. It's the same kind of stupid argument people bring up in the case of Mythic weapons, that somehow wasting a ton of your time on a game is an accomplishment that should be rewarded with great gear even when the event being done is not in any way actually challenging, which means literally all you're being rewarded for is how much time you wasted. Here, we are talking about how unless we waste hours upon hours doing CoP we should not get the reward of being allowed to trade our items in for Reforging gear, not something hard, not something challenging, not something we want to do in any way because of how boring it is, yet, we do not 'deserve' this gear apparently unless we show we are willing to waste 'this much time' on an expansion's story first, once we show we are willing to waste that much time, tada, we are allowed and deemed worthy of such an honor.

[Demonjustin]

You know what could put the fun back in doing CoP instead of feeling like a chore? Don't do it while level 99, wearing sparks gear. Pick a job that isn't capped so there is some real danger in the zones you have to go through. Trying to sneak your way past true sight/sound mobs that'll eat your face if you get caught puts a whole different spin on the journey. At this point, getting the next cutscene isn't guaranteed might put some adventure back in your life.

Two things to that.

A: This argument has never worked to solve anything. Back when people complained Abyssea was to easy there was always the idea of don't use Atma, don't use Cruor Buffs, but who did it? No one. Yes, you can intentionally gimp yourself to make things harder, but no one does it outside of a very small group of people.

B: Then you have to find the right balance, easy enough it's doable without others, hard enough it's not something you curb stomp and move on from. Thing is, you can't easily make these balances, doesn't happen, I did my Rank 3 fight on this character at 30, was fairly hard, almost failed, but I pulled through. It was the same type of thing you're talking about basically, I could have leveled to 35 or 40 and smashed right through it, but I held back and intentionally kept my RDM @30 until I completed it, and even called for help on every monster I had to kill that would give me XP just to prevent myself from leveling up. I did it for that artificial challenge, but not all fights are so easy to do that with, and not everyone, or hardly anyone, will do it, nor should anyone be expected to.

[Crevox]

You know what could put the fun back in doing CoP instead of feeling like a chore? Don't do it while level 99, wearing sparks gear. Pick a job that isn't capped so there is some real danger in the zones you have to go through. Trying to sneak your way past true sight/sound mobs that'll eat your face if you get caught puts a whole different spin on the journey. At this point, getting the next cutscene isn't guaranteed might put some adventure back in your life.

The fights were never the issue. The fights are fine. EVERYTHING ELSE in between is what sucks.

You want to make CoP just a rush of fight after fight? Don't have to travel anywhere? Sure, that would be great.

[Gannon]

It sounds like you are playing the wrong game if you are not willing to put in the time and effort required for your items.

[Demonjustin]

It sounds like you are playing the wrong game if you are not willing to put in the time and effort required for your items.

It's not a matter of time and effort it's a matter of doing content that provides no challenge, entertainment, and is nothing more than a roadblock that wastes your time.

[Gannon]

It's not a matter of time and effort it's a matter of doing content that provides no challenge, entertainment, and is nothing more than a roadblock that wastes your time.

It is still time you need to invest for your gear.

[Crevox]

It is still time you need to invest for your gear.

Time that takes exponentially longer than everything else and provides zero fun or entertainment. It is literally running for hours on end.

The actual gear requires items that you trade in. This pre-requirement to being able to do that should not exist.