What ATMAS to use

[Neisan_Quetz]

You might as well melee a mob if you're there for grellow anyway.

Also, crits/haste. If subtle blow/agi is an issue use GH, gives an additional +20% crit rate as well.

[Scuro]

lol Only if its a Tier 1, you sure as hell wouldn't do that with Orthrus, or any other higher Tier NM because you could get the party killed before you proc grellow like that.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If the Blu tping on Orthrus is getting your party killed your party has more serious problems than the Blu Tping. At least mention something like Apademak.

You would tp after grellow proc anyway unless it's something you seriously can't handle.

[Leonlionheart]

If the Blu tping on Orthrus is getting your party killed your party has more serious problems than the Blu Tping. At least mention something like Apademak.

You would tp after grellow proc anyway unless it's something you seriously can't handle.

lol because Archeron Flame spam is welcomed by parties all over FFXI, though I know your point.


Anyway...

It's probably been said but:

Melee:
GH/RR/Apoc

Physical Spell Spam:
VV/RR/ your choice of STR or DEX atma. Omnipotent is really nice for them recasts and it makes Vanity Dive and Disseverment hit like a monster.

Charged Whisker:
Lion/MM/Ultimate or Lion/MM/(insert karkidan's atma here) or anything with lightning potency magic attack and MM.

Healing:
MM/Rescuer/That other cure potency atma. Say hello to 800 Plenuline and 650 Magic Fruits, and then say goodbye to RDM and SCH thinking they can cure people.

[Neisan_Quetz]

For melee, due to the crit hit damage cap being removed Sanguine Scythe currently does abit more than GH but less agi if Benthic damage/ dAGI matters, I find the 10% counter somewhat neglible for damge (nice, but it doesn't add alot).

For physical spell spam I use MM to offset the mp costs and to spam occultation.

CW: MM isn't very good if all you do is BACW, Razed Ruins would beat it, only use for MM is if you can't keep mp up (I typically /rdm and use vert/meds/soothing lights from chests).

[Prothscar]

Are you trying to tell me that you don't melee on Blue Mage? And your reason being is that you feed the monster TP? Idiocy. You're sacrificing a massive portion of your damage by thinking that you not meleeing the monster is making a lick of difference. The TP spam will happen regardless of whether you're meleeing it or not. Your wall of text concerning /RDM being favorable in comparison to /NIN is all moot as I don't believe your experience with Blue Mage is adequate if you don't even understand that meleeing a monster is beneficial. You listed THF and NIN as jobs to switch to if you want to melee, news flash: BLU is on par with or more powerful than both of these jobs. I have two Kannagi NINs in my linkshell, and a Twashtar THF, and I can say that I very comfortably match or overtake their damage on a nightly basis. Your Blue Mage is bad if you can't claim the same.

An average of roughly .1-.2 seconds of casting time on any blue magic spell is not worth losing 10% delay reduction on your swords. Plain and simple, this is not a pro to the /RDM argument. It's a negligible bonus that is completely useless. You shouldn't be using magical blue magic outside of a whisker burn, and why in God's name would you be using Magic Attack Bonus swords if you were nuking? Elemental staves say hello. I never said to base BLU's damage solely on sword DoT, but to ignore it completely is incredibly foolish and downright gimp. Your reasoning on the name of the job made me facepalm in the most literal sense of the term. Dark "Knight", where's my horse?

You need to reread everything I've said and tell me exactly where I said to completely ignore BLU's spells. I can already tell you that you've said to completely ignore sword DoT, which is the most stupid thing I have EVER read. Using BLU's 75 cap as a benchmark for how to play the job is just incredibly, frustratingly imbecilic. So stop living in a fantasy world where BLU's only form of damage is magic and swords are useless. Thanks.

P.S. I'd gladly take you up on that offer, demolishing you and watching you eat your words would be most pleasing. I'll be using my Almace, too.

P.P.S. If Acheron Flame is causing your group to wipe, get better mages and an MDT set. Seriously, that is not a reasonable excuse for leaving melee off of the mob. I've duo'd Orthrus over a dozen times and had no problems with the "incredible" amount of "tp feed" that BLU apparently causes. (Hint: THF feeds more TP than any other job in the game).

P.P.P.S. You're an idiot. Apocalypse annihilates Voracious Violet every day of the week and on days of the week that don't even exist. If you're a competent BLU that's worth a slot in the alliance that you're a part of, you're meleeing. If you're in an alliance that isn't letting you melee, leave the group. Seriously, leave the group. If you can't understand how 15% Triple Attack is leaps and bounds more useful than 5% Double Attack and 2TP/tic regain, then you need to do a lot, and I mean a LOT of research.

[Scuro]

Your a tool lol

1. The Staves are great, sure, but I can't use any of the WS, so if I'm dd'n or need to pull out something with my swords I have that option, not to mention Charged Whisker is greatly boosted by Magic Attack more so then its Dex multiplier.
2.You clearly were starting that there is no "hybrid damage" which implies its one or the other, so get your terms straight or give more reason why nobody should listen to a ranting fool. If your not going to consider magic damage on a BLU, then your obviously only considering Melee.
3. I clearly said "not an almace" so how about you take your nose out of the sky for a moment and wake up and realize its in a pile of s**t (because again, it can't be done, thanks for proving that statement by trying to get your almace in order to prove me right, good job!)
4. 15% thats nice.... Doesn't mean it procs as often as a 2 tic regain, or the fact that BLU has access to gear that clearly supports double attack and NOT Triple attack, but hey good job, you try to get that 15% to proc while I'm sporting my Brutals, my actual JA for Double Attack (through BLU spells), my atheling mantle, my twilight Belt, and my VV, and guess what! My Physical spells will still be out damaging you any day of the week, so not only will I be beating you on WS and double attack proc, but I'll be beating you on phsyical spell damage, which is a greater portion of our damage. If your using Apoc, your a moron (or you just die alot because you were a moron to equip Apoc in the first place) and you obviously picked up BLU playing it SSA backwards because last time I checked the objective is to get our spells to do large amounts of damage not to gimp it for 15% triple attack you fool (And I'm pretty sure the only way your going to boost that is through the Homam body and Epona's Ring.... Which also boosts Double Attack, since ya know.... triple attack is a JA we can't make with BLU so ..... ya your soooo smmmmaaaarrrrtttt god I'm so jealous that I can't be as ignorant as you and think of myself as brilliant).

and just becuase I emphasized Blue Mage doesn't mean its the same emphasis for every freakin job you fool. Thats like saying if I put an emphasis on one part of a term and you putting it on that same part of every term to prove me wrong, of course the emphasis changes, in this case it would be Dark Knight since their magic is dark based. I don't think the face palming is doing you enough justice, how about you just go straight to head desk and keep going as hard as you can until you knock yourself out so we don't have to read anymore of this filth. Thank you =)

[Prothscar]

Your grammar and spelling make my eyes bleed. Also, you said that you don't melee NMs so I'm going to go ahead and say that you're fabricating everything about you meleeing.

I never said that there's "no such thing as hybrid damage". Putting words into my mouth won't win you an argument, it only makes you look like a liar and a moron. I said that the only type of damage is damage. Point me to where I said never to cast magic, go ahead.

The fact that I have an Almace changes nothing. Vorpal Blade is still a very strong weaponskill, perhaps you should take some of the dung that my nose is apparently in and wipe it all over your equipment to compliment it, because clearly you aren't using anything better than the full AF in your avatar if your Vorpals can't hit high enough to be worth using.

15% is nice, yes. 2/tic Regain is worth nothing by the time you reach 100TP. It won't be able to tic enough times to make any difference. My 18% Triple Attack will continue to outmaneuver your Double Attack while you muddle about in your incredibly awkward idiocy. if you looked passed your also caked in dung nose you would see that every single BLue Mage worth more than a farthing uses Apocalypse over VV for a very good reason: it's superior.

By your very own logic on the nomenclature of jobs, DRK shouldn't melee and should only cast their dark magic.

So call me a fool to mask your obvious inability to string together a cohesive argument and your clearly ineffectual playstyle.

[Scuro]

Well I can see why the other guy stopped posting here, and I'm going to do the same, because you have absolutely no proof to back your standpoint in anything your saying, and well, I've given you enough to prove my statements, as so did the /RDM point of views of the other BLU, yet you want to be a stubborn @$$ who doesn't want to drink from the oasis in a desert. So keep walking around in your ignorance that is just fine (beecause hell, in order for us to know what is RIGHT, we need people who can be WRONG, so waita own up to that public duty and be the moron we all need in order to be better. There is nothing more need said with you because well.... your an idiot that figured "Hey I used to be a RDM/NIN! Why not apply the same principles to BLU/NIN! GENIUS!"

And on that comment about putting words in your mouth... oh no sir, you do that just fine on your own, its just unfortunate that you have no idea what is coming out of that hole that would be better served with a sock stuffed in it.

It's a hybrid job, but there's no such thing as hybrid damage. You either do damage or you don't.

And a Farthing? Really? Do you feel clever saying that? Ok Mr. Smart Stuff, how about you stop playing BLU WRONG, go back to wearing a kilt and grabbing sand and throwing it at kids shouting "Lightning Bolt!", and going into a bar demanding a "Grog of Mead" lol.

[Neisan_Quetz]

ITT: DA > TA, you heard it here first.