What ATMAS to use

[Neisan_Quetz]

He specifically said Apoc for non Almace Blu, which would be spamming spells.

[Zagen]

He specifically said Apoc for non Almace Blu, which would be spamming spells.

Missed the "non-Almace" part then I have no clue but then again he contested /RDM couldn't beat /NIN for DDing so I'm guessing the concept of spamming spells is not one he accepts/acknowledges.

[Prothscar]

You still have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to /NIN vs. /RDM and spell spamming, but that isn't for this thread. My information is still accurate, and your personal vendetta does not change that fact.

Spamming spells doesn't magically relieve BLU of their Sword DoT and WS damage. If you think that pre-Almace BLU is all about the spell damage, level another job. You're making this one look bad.

[Zagen]

You still have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to /NIN vs. /RDM and spell spamming, but that isn't for this thread. My information is still accurate, and your personal vendetta does not change that fact.

Spamming spells doesn't magically relieve BLU of their Sword DoT and WS damage. If you think that pre-Almace BLU is all about the spell damage, level another job. You're making this one look bad.

My parse that I posted in that other thread showed a drop of 50k damage over an hour using /NIN under the same setting as /RDM... I guess it wasn't good enough because I didn't do it your way.

I know BLU isn't only about spell damage but I see it as picking Apoc over VV doesn't seem to be best for BLU overall. When VV not only affects sword DoT with Double Attack even if only 5% it still helps, STR+50 for 25 Attack and if you aren't capping fSTR from Cru buffs it helps there too, as well as the 2TP regain which helps with more frequent WS even if you're casting you're gaining TP.

Oh and VV boosts our spells' damage too which Apoc does nothing for that aside from the quick cast happening allowing you to recast that spell instantly.

I love the Triple Attack from Apoc on jobs like WAR, MNK, THF, DNC, etc. All the jobs that it performs best in have 1 thing in common the majority of their damage comes from melee damage. BLU is not a job (excluding Almace) that will compete with other DD jobs if it relies heavily on melee damage.

Apoc still pulls ahead from a pure sword DoT and weaponskill frequency standpoint.

There is no "pure sword DoT" on BLU it is Sword + Spells which makes this a flawed argument. VV helps both not just one over the other.

[Prothscar]

A parse is an invalid source for things like these, especially when it's a sample of one. From my experience as well as the experience of numerous others, /NIN > /RDM unless you're whisker burning. You have to be incredibly lacking in gear or very bad at the job to have a massive advantage toward /RDM over the course of several sessions of using BLU. In no situation should Sanguine Blade be doing more damage than Vorpal or Chant (outside of brewing).

Apoc's overall utility coupled with its above average boost to melee DoT and WS dmg/frequency is what makes it the best atma for the third slot. I can't think of any situation where VV would be worth using over it.

If your sword and ws damage is a negligible part of your overall DoT, I suggest stopping to regear and reevaluate how you play the job.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Not sure what the Sang blade remark is about, there's nothing stopping you from using Vorpal /Rdm...

[Prothscar]

Was one of his main points on using /RDM, and the only one that makes a measure of sense. Fast Cast isn't going to boost your magic damage, and MAB doesn't affect physical spells.

[Zagen]

Was one of his main points on using /RDM, and the only one that makes a measure of sense. Fast Cast isn't going to boost your magic damage, and MAB doesn't affect physical spells.

Please don't put words in my mouth, I said this:

3) /RDM offers MAB2 which pushes your Saguine Blade damage.

Note it says pushes the damage not that it pushes it past Vorpal Blade, heck even in the parse I posted my Sanguines did about half the damage of Vorpals. 700ish with /NIN and 800ish averages with /RDM so it does as I stated "pushes" the damage up.

Dual Wield 3 "doesn't affect physical spells" either.

If you can't see how Fast Cast 2 and convert add to your spell damage I don't know what to say.

[Prothscar]

If you can't see how Fast Cast 2 is completely negligible, (2.5% decrease in recast time on spells over what we can get naturally), and can't manage your MP well enough to not need Convert then you really need to consider playing a different job or stop giving false advice on this one. Neither fast cast nor convert should be even a small part of the damage you do on BLU. You're either incredibly poorly equipped, or you have no idea how to play the job.

Dual Wield III (10% delay reduction on top of what we could get naturally) adds more DoT from sword damage and WS frequency than Fast Cast II or Convert could ever possibly add. People who think that BLU's only damage comes from spells are the BLUs I see wearing M.acc swords and MP gear in their TP sets.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I could care less about managing mp when I can blow it to kill stuff faster and still not have a huge problem with mp even using Occultation.

Blus wearing Macc swords for damage are retarded in the first place since you typically cast physical spells so still not seeing what that has to do with spamming spells. Why should I worry about mp conversation if it isn't an issue?