What ATMAS to use

[Habiki]

I could have swore there was something in the information section awile back that clarified that it was mistranslated from the japanese version, maybe im crazy but from the description it has on it now not sure if it was changed it sounds like you lose more enmity for being hit. Description is (Enmity decrease when taking damage) which would mean lowers your enmity when you get hit. I know our Pld tank doesnt use it anymore because its impossible for him to hold hate with it on he just uses the -PDT atmas now and holds hate fine.

[sope]

The atma itself says Enmity decrease when taking damage-(MINUS) : minor

this atma reduces the amount of enmity you lose when you take damage, it's pretty clear. Habiki, I'm not to be mean or anything, but that PLD is anecdotal evidence; and we all know that in abyssea, holding hate has nothing to do with the PLD, it has to do with whether or not the DDs feel like reaching the enimty cap. (which isn't hard.)

[Habiki]

Well even if the atma does lower enmity loss when taking damage, its still a better atma over razed ruin for quad continuum and delta thrust and razed ruin does nothing really for any of the dex modified spells except for (vanity dive) , disseverment and goblin rush get no boost from it dmg wise. Was just trying to give some info for the op to help them do better damage, razed ruin isnt as useful unless you have almace. And it shouldnt hurt losing less hate from taking dmg if you not spamming dmg spells and if you are its only gonna make the mob harder since it will be using tp moves more.

[Ezekieal]

Well even if the atma does lower enmity loss when taking damage, its still a better atma over razed ruin for quad continuum and delta thrust and razed ruin does nothing really for any of the dex modified spells except for (vanity dive) , disseverment and goblin rush get no boost from it dmg wise. Was just trying to give some info for the op to help them do better damage, razed ruin isnt as useful unless you have almace. And it shouldnt hurt losing less hate from taking dmg if you not spamming dmg spells and if you are its only gonna make the mob harder since it will be using tp moves more.

hmmm seems a lot of your are forgetting that you can crit physical blu spells, so while purely modwise yes MC is better than RR for QC somehow i doubt you will see a differece if parsed, if anything i would say RR would out perform MC

[Habiki]

I think people also forget delta thrust and its short recast doing an extra 600 dmg per delta thrust outways the benifit of the low crit hit rate youll have on your melee hits as blue mage, if you were sub thf it would be a differant story since you can guarntee the crit on the spells, all i can say is try it out for yourself and see the differance no need to argue over which is better when it depends on the player, sub job, and playstyle.

[Ezekieal]

well you are the one that says RR doesnt do anything for physical blu magic, which is totally false. i was merely pointing out that not only does it give you a boost to dex moded spells but also adds 40-50% crit rate to EVERY blu physical spell whatever the mod is. also i think most people wouldnt count 40-50% as low.

If you wanna make specific spells pop then yeah boost their mods but if you want to add a lil something something to ALL of your physical spells then RR is definately the best option along with VV in a close second(due to most phys spells having at least a partial str mod)

[Habiki]

well you are the one that says RR doesnt do anything for physical blu magic, which is totally false. i was merely pointing out that not only does it give you a boost to dex moded spells but also adds 40-50% crit rate to EVERY blu physical spell whatever the mod is. also i think most people wouldnt count 40-50% as low.

If you wanna make specific spells pop then yeah boost their mods but if you want to add a lil something something to ALL of your physical spells then RR is definately the best option along with VV in a close second(due to most phys spells having at least a partial str mod)

Just for your information RR only makes your crit hit rate 30% with merits that would be 34% so what gear are you using to come up with your 40-50% number.

[Ezekieal]

so i got it wrong and its 30% my point still stands, 34% with merits isnt a low number by any means, it is still the best all round physcal spell atma

edit: oh and with well over +100 dex with gear, spell bonus' and cruor bonus and RR that raises crit rateby quite a bit too, so infact 40% is probably right.

[Kasandaro]

Just for your information RR only makes your crit hit rate 30% with merits that would be 34% so what gear are you using to come up with your 40-50% number.

I'd assume he's factoring in the ~20% cap critical rate from dDex, especially when you consider cruor buffs and RR's Dex+50, as well as it's Crit Rate +30%.

C'mon, SE, change the forums to actually mark the inline links already so I don't have to do it manually.

[s_white62]

so what atma would I use for soloing, party, and taken down a NM?