AA Fight instances

[Calatilla]

This doesn't really tackle the issue though, most people aren't doing the AA fights purely for Rem Tales, they're doing them for Gear drops. And you have only 3 instances for 6 different fights, do you see the problem here?

[Demonjustin]

This doesn't really tackle the issue though, most people aren't doing the AA fights purely for Rem Tales, they're doing them for Gear drops. And you have only 3 instances for 6 different fights, do you see the problem here?

Yes, that's a big part of the issue, but you can't say if people could get Rem Tales from the other fights reliably that it wouldn't be helped. I've been trying to get the Body from Ouryu, the Feet from Tenzen, and the Legs from Stellar Fulcrum for some time now, I've gotten none of these 3 pieces. The one piece from the non-AA fights I have gotten was the Vanir Feet, those were only gotten because people do the Vanir fight for the Fast Cast/Stun body piece. People do these for gear undoubtedly but they do them for tales too. If you're after gear, you might do 1 of 9 fights, depending which fight drops it, but if you want chapters, you're only looking at 5 fights which might drop what you want, that is unless you want to take a shot in the dark.

[Calatilla]

Yes, that's a big part of the issue, but you can't say if people could get Rem Tales from the other fights reliably that it wouldn't be helped. I've been trying to get the Body from Ouryu, the Feet from Tenzen, and the Legs from Stellar Fulcrum for some time now, I've gotten none of these 3 pieces. The one piece from the non-AA fights I have gotten was the Vanir Feet, those were only gotten because people do the Vanir fight for the Fast Cast/Stun body piece. People do these for gear undoubtedly but they do them for tales too. If you're after gear, you might do 1 of 9 fights, depending which fight drops it, but if you want chapters, you're only looking at 5 fights which might drop what you want, that is unless you want to take a shot in the dark.

The dev post makes it sound like SE think that by putting Rem tales that drop from AA fights into other non AA fights it`ll somehow alleviate the congestion caused by only having 3 instances for 6 fights. It will go some way to helping sure, but the big issue i'm concerned with is why there are only 3 battle instances. Nyzul Isle has more instances as far as I know and thats 1 zone, compared to the 6 for AA+DM

When you are gathering for a DM+II run and you get met with "you cannot enter at this time" for an hour, it gets annoying very fast. There should be 1 instance for each fight, 6 fights = 6 instances.

[Demonjustin]

The dev post makes it sound like SE think that by putting Rem tales that drop from AA fights into other non AA fights it`ll somehow alleviate the congestion caused by only having 3 instances for 6 fights. It will go some way to helping sure, but the big issue i'm concerned with is why there are only 3 battle instances. Nyzul Isle has more instances as far as I know and thats 1 zone, compared to the 6 for AA+DM

When you are gathering for a DM+II run and you get met with "you cannot enter at this time" for an hour, it gets annoying very fast. There should be 1 instance for each fight, 6 fights = 6 instances.

And you have my full agreeance on that, I'm just saying that giving the other fights specific chapters will help too. The fact that the other ones have it random not only attribute additional congestion but also make the other fights much less desired. There's a reason why in the time it's been out I've done no Ouryu, 3 Tenzen, and 2 Stellar Fulcrum, 2 of those have been out less than a month but the third has been out for a fairly decent amount of time. The reason I've done them so little is because there are so few shouts for it on Phoenix, hardly anyone wants to do them, and unless gear incentive exists it won't be done because Chapters are simply too random.

I agree the amount of instances is the largest problem, I'm just saying content wise and congestion wise that changing the chapters would help both ways, especially if they're unable to untie the AA fights themselves due to the way it was created originally all those years ago(since it seems they're tied together).

[Bayohne]

This doesn't really tackle the issue though, most people aren't doing the AA fights purely for Rem Tales, they're doing them for Gear drops. And you have only 3 instances for 6 different fights, do you see the problem here?

As the drops that you can receive from the Ark Angel battlefields are closely tied to that boss it would be a bit strange to suddenly have them dropping from other locations. That is why we have chosen to begin by first adjusting Rem's Tales and continue to monitor the changes. Also, as Camate mentioned, we'll be lowering the cost of Phantom gems for other high-level battlefields to 10 merit points in the June version update.

However, with that said, I did want to let you all know that we are considering having the Divinator and Seraphicaller available from additional locations in the future. When details have been confirmed, we'll be sure to let you know!

[Demonjustin]

yeah they really muffed up by putting lacklustre gear in Ouryu fight especially. I see people shout for Tenzen (assuming for the ilevel SAM bow) but NOT 1 shout for Ouryu. If it dropped some tales and maybe 1 piece of gear which wasn't mediocre people would do it.

I mean, I'd totally like that gear but my LSmates who are better geared don't see it as an upgrade so they don't want to do it.

The one piece from Ouryu that's good is the body piece. That body is the best Enfeebling body in the game for all jobs including RDM and even beats our RF1+1 Tabard in every stat except INT/MND by 4 points, but the MAcc/Skill more than make up for that. It's also a great melee mage body. The issue is that Enfeebling Magic and melee maging are both crap. It's the one good upgrade I see in that fight and it's not nearly enough to motivate people to do it, I'd have to solo the fight to obtain the drops and I'm not going to submit myself to 100+ fights spending 2000+ merits for that body, no.

As the drops that you can receive from the Ark Angel battlefields are closely tied to that boss it would be a bit strange to suddenly have them dropping from other locations. That is why we have chosen to begin by first adjusting Rem's Tales and continue to monitor the changes. Also, as Camate mentioned, we'll be lowering the cost of Phantom gems for other high-level battlefields to 10 merit points in the June version update.

However, with that said, I did want to let you all know that we are considering having the Divinator and Seraphicaller available from additional locations in the future. When details have been confirmed, we'll be sure to let you know!

Are there any plans to make the other Merit Point fights more desirable?

Right now they rely on nothing but gear as incentives while Ark Angels have both pages and gear as incentives. AAs also have Divine Might where you can get a ton of drops in little time with a good group, something none of the other instances have no matter what they look to obtain. I expect an 'Apocalypse Nigh' battlefield in the future which may help address the Celestial Nexus and Stellar Fulcrum instances being so deserted for gear in the same way Divine Might does, but the fact that Tenzen and Ouryu have no sort of joint battles means that their gear is likely to be nearly unobtainable for most of us.

[Olor]

The one piece from Ouryu that's good is the body piece. That body is the best Enfeebling body in the game for all jobs including RDM and even beats our RF1+1 Tabard in every stat except INT/MND by 4 points, but the MAcc/Skill more than make up for that. It's also a great melee mage body. The issue is that Enfeebling Magic and melee maging are both crap. It's the one good upgrade I see in that fight and it's not nearly enough to motivate people to do it, I'd have to solo the fight to obtain the drops and I'm not going to submit myself to 100+ fights spending 2000+ merits for that body, no.

Thanks for confirming that! I thought it looked good for RDM enfeebling but LS folks thought the RF was better. Glad that my instincts were on. I told them it was best enfeebling body they still didn't want to do it and given you have to spend the merits for the fight it kind of sucks for doing a shout as you can't do something like "your orb your drop" - bad enough fighting RNG for items without having to fight your party for them too when they drop.

[Demonjustin]

Thanks for confirming that! I thought it looked good for RDM enfeebling but LS folks thought the RF was better. Glad that my instincts were on. I told them it was best enfeebling body they still didn't want to do it and given you have to spend the merits for the fight it kind of sucks for doing a shout as you can't do something like "your orb your drop" - bad enough fighting RNG for items without having to fight your party for them too when they drop.

Just a quick gear comparison, ignoring all stats that are the same.

Atrophy has 4 more MND/INT, 10 more MAB.
Ischemia has 1 more DEF, 25 more Acc, 5 more MAcc, 1 more Skill.

Since the 5MAcc alone makes up for the MND/INT difference in accuracy, the only benefit Atrophy really has in Enfeebling is the fact that MND/INT attribute to your potency of your Enfeebles. That benefit however is completely usurped by the Empyrean body due to it's attribute that specifically enhances potency outside of the MND/INT formula.

Just to break down the reasons for you if you want to relay the message.



Back to the topic at hand. I sadly don't think desirable gear alone will be enough really, we need more stable chapter drops so that you can reliably farm them from other fights. Though in reality the fact these fights are more difficult than Ark Angels is also part of what blocks them. When you think about it Ark Angels are all straight forward, they just fight like those jobs and have some SP abilities, no hate resets(Fulcrum), only 1 form(Nexus), no un-killable adds casting at you(Tenzen), and no ability to fly mid-battle(Ouryu), all of which also makes people avoid these fights.

[Calatilla]

Thanks for confirming that! I thought it looked good for RDM enfeebling but LS folks thought the RF was better. Glad that my instincts were on. I told them it was best enfeebling body they still didn't want to do it and given you have to spend the merits for the fight it kind of sucks for doing a shout as you can't do something like "your orb your drop" - bad enough fighting RNG for items without having to fight your party for them too when they drop.

Not to get off topic but it sounds like you're in the wrong LS if they won't help you improve your gear just because they don't want it themselves.

[Olor]

Not to get off topic but it sounds like you're in the wrong LS if they won't help you improve your gear just because they don't want it themselves.

Eh, they help me improve my gear a lot, its a good LS, just not really large and folks wanted to do AA fights because they benefit more people. It makes sense really, and as Detlef notes, its not the only way to improve my gear. Unfortunately Ouryu is only fight I can access out of Tenzen, AAs etc so that is part of the reason I want to do it. I definitely don't blame folks for putting priorities elsewhere though, especially when Ouryu is really gimmicky and the gear itself is only a minor upgrade for 1 class.

FYI though, these folks helped me break through rieves to get warps (even tractoring me over some parts) so I could do Raz skirmish and wildskeepers, helped me get my difficult win for JSE, and even some delve (non mega) boss wins. I really like my shell, but I don't expect them to move heaven and earth for me. I'd rather the fight have better gear so it benefits more people to do it.

Also they are mostly on EU time so the overlap between our playtimes is larger than I'd like, so its not always very good timing for them to do stuff. Anyway, I imagine we'll try it eventually (or I'll join/start a shout) but it would be awesome if the reward levels were more consistent across hard fights overall.