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    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    Yes, I think soloing VE require very little effort, especially for ppl with mules. Or else you wouldn't see everyone and their mother soloing it all day long. If it require a LOT of effort, then you'd see only 1~2 ppl per server can do it. If you zone into AA instance on JP prime time, at least 1 or more pt is VE solo/duo box PT. That's how the zone ended up 70+ player on JP time.

    Whether "something" requires lot of effort or very little effort, is not decided by you, but the amount of ppl that's been doing it in the past. You can tell me "Solo VE requires a lot of effort", but I'm not buying it as long as my friends/lsmate/strangers all enter VE/E and solo everything every day.
    You can say it doesn't take a lot of effort, but by compared to doing Difficult or Very Difficult the effort is enormous, you're talking about having to farm 15 more merits every single time you wanna do it. The fact that people are doing it 'all day every day' is a result of the fact the gear drops at an insanely low drop rate on VE, probably comparably as low as VW is on it's high quality gear, which means the effort put in has to include both the constant merit refill and the fight itself. If you look at just the fight itself it's easy, that's why it's called Very Easy, but if you're talking actual effort not just easy-ness then VE is insanely more effort for near no reward rate than anything you could do in current events.

    It should be a challenge, and reward. Or else why'd you want to work harder and do D/VD? That's just all be lazy and do easy VE.
    Doing VE is actually the less lazy of the two. Your choices are basically do it solo and get your gear eventually(probably 50~100+ fights) or make a group and get your gear in what's likely to be at most, 5~10 fights. You could argue that making a party is a lot of effort, and I'd agree, but equal to 5~10 times the effort of doing VE as well as the additional merits for each battle? No.

    In all honesty you could bump each rate up to the next highest difficulty level and nothing would be broken. VE drops as good as E currently does, E as good as N, N as good as D, you get the idea. Doing that would leave VD out, but you can just make it so that VD always drops 2 pieces of gear which I believe right now isn't the case, it's not that hard to balance things and still make it not only worth doing on higher levels but worth doing on lower levels as well. With all of that said, if the argument is just over letting it only take 1 KI then I'd honestly see no issue with it provided SE fixed the AA instance issue first. If they didn't then it's just congestion waiting to happen and while I hate using that as a stupid reason for not doing good updates, it's sadly true that it would screw us over in that kinda way.
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    So I guess you never did sky/sea with people who didn't have sky warp yet, any of the maps, or have 2-3 other LSes lock you out of fighting byakko because not everyone was at the tele pad or wasn't afk. Or did a pop farm run for the next run and had people camping despot and zippy against other LSes. Before they changed the warp to Kirin's room could be a time eater since you could have tried to get to his room for 15 mins alone. Didn't do sea while it was a high traffic event, but I can see how that could take a while concerning how so many people would get lost on the inside while just doing the missions.

    Woo you can solo E/VE good for you. From what I gather most people don't do the AA fights for the chapters, but for the armor that drops from them. Even if you soloed E/VE the whole day you're still trying to get lucky with winning the rng lotto. Instead of the rng and five other people. It's why some might want a leader only needs to have the KI so they can do more and have better odds at geting the one thing they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithera View Post
    So I guess you never did sky/sea with people who didn't have sky warp yet, any of the maps, or have 2-3 other LSes lock you out of fighting byakko because not everyone was at the tele pad or wasn't afk. Or did a pop farm run for the next run and had people camping despot and zippy against other LSes. Before they changed the warp to Kirin's room could be a time eater since you could have tried to get to his room for 15 mins alone. Didn't do sea while it was a high traffic event, but I can see how that could take a while concerning how so many people would get lost on the inside while just doing the missions.
    Maybe that wasn't the case when sea/sky was just out, but back in 2009 when I did sea/sky with a few friends, I remember it's possible do those with slightly less ppl than a full LS/alliance. Unless I remember something wrong, my friend can usually DB or lowman most of the sea NM @75 on MNK. With less ppl in ally it's less likely to have 1 person d/c or stuck/get lost and waste time.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lithera View Post
    Woo you can solo E/VE good for you. From what I gather most people don't do the AA fights for the chapters, but for the armor that drops from them. Even if you soloed E/VE the whole day you're still trying to get lucky with winning the rng lotto. Instead of the rng and five other people. It's why some might want a leader only needs to have the KI so they can do more and have better odds at geting the one thing they want.
    I don't solo E/VE because I like to play with ppl. Most of the time I do VD or at least D for AA, I find VD way more enjoyable than doing anything below D. I highly doubt ppl would ever want to do VD/D again if KI doesn't cost merit, that's why I don't want them to change that.

    Also "Some might want a leader only needs to have the KI so they can do more and have better odds at getting the thing they want" is doesn't make it better game design. The way they design difficulty setting is suppose to reward players trying harder difficulty. So you either try harder difficulty and get stuff faster, or try easier difficulty and it takes longer. If easier setting no longer take long, what's the point to do VD?
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