Reforged AF - Blocked on Step 1?

[Crevox]

I guess I don't see how it is gimping yourself. CoP was designed to allow you to do the story as you leveled up. It gave you a guide to what was possible at level 30, 40, 50 based on level caps in the area. You aren't gimping yourself by doing it based on the original design. You are overleveling then complaining there isn't any challenge to the fight.

The original design is long gone when all the balance has been changed. Items are different, abilities are different, and the difficulty of the content is changed. I am not interested in playing it for the sake of "I want to experience the challenge of how it was like back then", because that is impossible now (nor do I really care).

[detlef]

I guess I don't see how it is gimping yourself. CoP was designed to allow you to do the story as you leveled up. It gave you a guide to what was possible at level 30, 40, 50 based on level caps in the area. You aren't gimping yourself by doing it based on the original design. You are overleveling then complaining there isn't any challenge to the fight.

People use the same argument against Abyssea, saying you could just not use Atma to create artificial challenge. It just doesn't fly. People will never gimp themselves that way. Instead, people choose to low man things for more drops per player and greater challenge. To a degree, I agree with Crevos in that if you increase player power to the point where a fight finally transitions from a challenging solo fight to a trivial one, things can become tedious. We have to remember that when we did CoP many moons ago, the legwork was the easy part and the fights were the hard part.

With that said, I still think that it's well within SE's right to make players complete the expansion (well most of it) to access ilvl 119 AF gear and I support that decision. Crevox, I do hope that you extract at least some enjoyment from the missions, even if you don't want to do them.

[Trumpy]

Odd that you can upgrade relic to +1 without sea (i did on my mule), but have to have limbus access to upgrade these new artifacts (though i completely understand). I can contest that my linkshell that did limbus every possible time we could (back before it was changed to daily content) went many many runs without seein one monk af item drop and there was quite alot of us needing them. Ive recently started doin it now that my mule has access, have only done 2 runs and i got 2 sam 2 brd one run and 1 sam the next run (none of which was needed and seriously any event that first required 6-18 people and gave one af item at the end is effin stupid). seriously you have to be full of crap to say u can get anything u need in one run lol. having said that, though most wiki pages say any af item can drop, but are there definite runs that tend to drop one jobs over another?

[Direct]

Crevox you horrible little man, you really need a good hiding mate a good beating to knock some sense into you.

[Direct]

I know cops not hard all, se nerfed it down so people colo solo duo it. Se right now are going around and adding new versions to the older fights the recent aa fights for example, i'm sure that they will get around to cop soon, so it's really not a waste of your time to get it done anyway.

Lets look at it logically you have to do zilart missions you can do these in one day if you put enough hours in, i've just done them all again for a couple of mules, cop took me a few days again for mules and toah has a few more jp midnight cs so it will take a few days longer. There is no reason why you can't have all 3 expansions done in 2 weeks.

Try shouting to see if anyone else needs them, try making yourself a friend or two along the way at least that way you can have a little fun doing these missions.

[detlef]

He's not saying it's hard, he's saying it's a hassle and he doesn't want to do it.

[Crevox]

I know if I'd written all this material I'd be frustrated that people just wanted to sidestep it.

What's done is done, and what's in the past is in the past.

Either way, I appreciate an actual, well thought-out post for once. While I may disagree with your idea of why people want me to do the story, you still make good points. Thank you for being understanding.

If you do Zilart missions, you can fight the original version of the AA fights. CoP and Aht Urghan progression will get you Diablos, Odin, and Alexander (where they are tied to the story). You say you want to do a lot of things, but it sounds like you only want to do what is popular now. So you upgrade your AF, what then? What will be left for you to do? Go back and do stuff where you are twice the level of the intended enemies? If you stop and think, doing it that way does feel like it is such a chore. Go from A to B to C where there is no danger is just like marking off a checklist. But make it so where the outcome is in doubt and I think your outlook may change and you might feel like you are making some true character progression instead of thinking anything less than the top is a roadblock to enjoyment.

I am working on CoP, Zilart, and Aht Urhgan, obviously. I have to unlock those things. I don't have a choice.

[bungiefanNA]

The old expansions were eased to be able to do them with smaller groups or solo because SE looked at the census data and saw that most of the player base had not completed the missions. Having gates like this tied to storyline makes more people complete the storyline. The changes they have been doing have been trying to get more people to complete such content in the game, by having a carrot at the end of it. They've had a lot of content since WotG, and not a lot of people completing it. That's been changing since Abyssea, Level Sync, and removal of level capped areas.

[Crevox]

The old expansions were eased to be able to do them with smaller groups or solo because SE looked at the census data and saw that most of the player base had not completed the missions. Having gates like this tied to storyline makes more people complete the storyline. The changes they have been doing have been trying to get more people to complete such content in the game, by having a carrot at the end of it. They've had a lot of content since WotG, and not a lot of people completing it. That's been changing since Abyssea, Level Sync, and removal of level capped areas.

They need to do more though even still. I went today to do more Aht Urhgan missions, and once again, I cannot continue because "wait until after Japanese midnight." This time gated content is so annoying.

After looking ahead the next few missions, it looks like it's going to happen again, twice. I imagine past that it will happen even more too....

[Xantavia]

They need to do more though even still. I went today to do more Aht Urhgan missions, and once again, I cannot continue because "wait until after Japanese midnight." This time gated content is so annoying.

After looking ahead the next few missions, it looks like it's going to happen again, twice. I imagine past that it will happen even more too....

I think time gates are something everybody will agree with you on. In game next day wait is almost a non-issue. Real life day wait is horrible. I think it came from breaks in the content as it was released but I can't say for sure.