Reforged AF - Blocked on Step 1?

[Vasch]

This is a Final Fantasy game, meant to be savored and taken in slowly like a fine piece of tiramisu. It's not designed to be a bag of chips that's gobbled up and done in 5 minutes like a game of Angry Birds. If you want a bag of doritos, look elsewhere.

[Demonjustin]

In all honesty, I would argue that yes, a Sky requirement would make more sense than a Sea requirement for the second upgrade if any requirement need be set.

[Crevox]

I want to fight monsters in a party and be rewarded for a fun, challenging fight. That's how leveling is, that's how end game is, that's how you get loot, and while that's how the story used to be, it's not now.

I am not being "rewarded" for completing the story; it's just a chore. I am not accomplishing any major feat for completing it. It's just painful, and everyone has to do it. There's nothing fun about auto running for hours on end. The only satisfaction you get is the cutscenes in between, which are short before telling you to go somewhere else.

I can't believe you're complaining about having to do Zilart missions to access Ark Angel fights. I can't believe you're complaining that you need to progress in CoP to access Limbus areas and rewards. I can't believe you're complaining about needing Rank 6 in your home nation to do Dynamis. Did you complain about having to do coalitions assignments and Adoulin missions in order to access Wildskeeper Reives too?

How low of a bar do you want?

Why is this an issue? Why do I have to complete such long, monotonous tasks to unlock these things? Why is this a requirement? It's not even like I'm doing CoP for the item, I'm doing it to unlock the ability to EARN the item. I have to do CoP just to be able to give the items I already worked hard to obtain.

[detlef]

I guess what I can't wrap my head around is complaining about having to do content in order to access area, battlefields, NMs, and equipment. Progressing through the game to unlock new things is so basic that I can't see how you want to skip it. I mean, isn't the very essence of an RPG?

[Crevox]

I guess what I can't wrap my head around is complaining about having to do content in order to access area, battlefields, NMs, and equipment. Progressing through the game to unlock new things is so basic that I can't see how you want to skip it. I mean, isn't the very essence of an RPG?

It may be an RPG, but there's a point when things are just long and drawn out for no reason. It made sense back in the day, it was the content, it was fun/challenging/gripping/whatever. You actually earned items and stuff for completing it too that were good. Nowadays, there's like 1-2 good items (Raja Ring) and the rest of it is just doing it so the game knows you've done it (for whatever other reason).

[detlef]

It may be an RPG, but there's a point when things are just long and drawn out for no reason. It made sense back in the day, it was the content, it was fun/challenging/gripping/whatever. You actually earned items and stuff for completing it too that were good. Nowadays, there's like 1-2 good items (Raja Ring) and the rest of it is just doing it so the game knows you've done it (for whatever other reason).

It just sounds like you want some of the best gear in the game just from doing Records of Eminence.

[Crevox]

It just sounds like you want some of the best gear in the game just from doing Records of Eminence.

I never said anything like that. You really think doing mindless hours of fetch quests is worth anything? What's worth something is difficult battles with strong opponents, and that's what I WANT to be doing, but I can't, because I have to get these fetch quests out of the way first.

Crevox you horrible little man, you really need a good hiding mate a good beating to knock some sense into you.

I don't even know what this is supposed to say.

[Xantavia]

Nobody says I want everything for free. I already earned my AF items to trade in, but I can't. I WANT to do AA fights, but again, I can't, because I haven't finished Zilart. I want to do a LOT of things, but I can't because I have not finished all of these stupid fetch quests. I can't even get a party because I don't have Alexander.]I want to fight monsters in a party and be rewarded for a fun, challenging fight. That's how leveling is, that's how end game is, that's how you get loot, and while that's how the story used to be, it's not now.[/QUOTE]
You realize that if you go through these missions now, before you hit 99, before you deck yourself out in ilvl gear, it can be a fun, challenging fight. Just because the promyvian fights are uncapped, doesn't mean you can't still get a group of people around level 30 to do the fight. Go through the aquaducts at level 40 where there is a huge chance of dying solo if you catch aggro from incredibly tough mobs. On one hand, you say you want a challenge. But on the other, you want to deck yourself out in gear that makes all but newest content trivial in difficulty.

Nobody says I want everything for free. I already earned my AF items to trade in, but I can't. I WANT to do AA fights, but again, I can't, because I haven't finished Zilart. I want to do a LOT of things, but I can't because I have not finished all of these stupid fetch quests. I can't even get a party because I don't have Alexander.]Nobody says I want everything for free. I already earned my AF items to trade in, but I can't. I WANT to do AA fights, but again, I can't, because I haven't finished Zilart. I want to do a LOT of things, but I can't because I have not finished all of these stupid fetch quests. I can't even get a party because I don't have Alexander.[/QUOTE]
If you do Zilart missions, you can fight the original version of the AA fights. CoP and Aht Urghan progression will get you Diablos, Odin, and Alexander (where they are tied to the story). You say you want to do a lot of things, but it sounds like you only want to do what is popular now. So you upgrade your AF, what then? What will be left for you to do? Go back and do stuff where you are twice the level of the intended enemies? If you stop and think, doing it that way does feel like it is such a chore. Go from A to B to C where there is no danger is just like marking off a checklist. But make it so where the outcome is in doubt and I think your outlook may change and you might feel like you are making some true character progression instead of thinking anything less than the top is a roadblock to enjoyment.

[Crevox]

You realize that if you go through these missions now, before you hit 99, before you deck yourself out in ilvl gear, it can be a fun, challenging fight. Just because the promyvian fights are uncapped, doesn't mean you can't still get a group of people around level 30 to do the fight. Go through the aquaducts at level 40 where there is a huge chance of dying solo if you catch aggro from incredibly tough mobs. On one hand, you say you want a challenge. But on the other, you want to deck yourself out in gear that makes all but newest content trivial in difficulty.

I am not going to gimp myself to make something that isn't a challenge, a challenge. I am doing it to get it out of the way so I can get to the difficult content; the things that are relevant in the player base, so I can play the MMORPG.

There is a ridiculous number of battles and content that are challenging at max level. When the time comes that I need to get items from those, I will have a party and we will take on the challenge. However, this is not one of them, and I will not make it one just to waste even MORE time doing old content for a flag saying I beat a story.

[Xantavia]

I am not going to gimp myself to make something that isn't a challenge, a challenge. I am doing it to get it out of the way so I can get to the difficult content; the things that are relevant in the player base, so I can play the MMORPG.

I guess I don't see how it is gimping yourself. CoP was designed to allow you to do the story as you leveled up. It gave you a guide to what was possible at level 30, 40, 50 based on level caps in the area. You aren't gimping yourself by doing it based on the original design. You are overleveling then complaining there isn't any challenge to the fight.