Reforged AF - Blocked on Step 1?

[Vinedrai]

Complaining about unlockable content that requires missions to access seems to fly in the face of what this game is.

I can't believe you're complaining about having to do Zilart missions to access Ark Angel fights. I can't believe you're complaining that you need to progress in CoP to access Limbus areas and rewards. I can't believe you're complaining about needing Rank 6 in your home nation to do Dynamis. Did you complain about having to do coalitions assignments and Adoulin missions in order to access Wildskeeper Reives too?

How low of a bar do you want?

I didn't see that dynamis comment before wow, that is quite extreme... Maybe they should add an NPC who can cap your level and skills for free as well, because you know, we already know how it is to level up (see his youtube videos comment) so why do we have to do it ourselves? /sigh

[Vasch]

This is a Final Fantasy game, meant to be savored and taken in slowly like a fine piece of tiramisu. It's not designed to be a bag of chips that's gobbled up and done in 5 minutes like a game of Angry Birds. If you want a bag of doritos, look elsewhere.

[Demonjustin]

I can't believe you're complaining that you need to progress in CoP to access Limbus areas and rewards.

I missed the part where there was a complaint about not being able to get CoP/Limbus rewards. Last I knew, the Reforged gear had 0 relation to Limbus except for their arbitrary requirement for having Sea access even though every item can be obtained through either quests or the AH, none of which exclusively comes from anything CoP related. Also, many Dynamis armors can be obtained without Dynamis access via the slips now days so to say the rewards should only come from the content isn't quite accurate either, though I am sure the argument will be made that those are old obsolete pieces now days, which is true, but not the point.

[detlef]

I missed the part where there was a complaint about not being able to get CoP/Limbus rewards. Last I knew, the Reforged gear had 0 relation to Limbus except for their arbitrary requirement for having Sea access even though every item can be obtained through either quests or the AH, none of which exclusively comes from anything CoP related. Also, many Dynamis armors can be obtained without Dynamis access via the slips now days so to say the rewards should only come from the content isn't quite accurate either, though I am sure the argument will be made that those are old obsolete pieces now days, which is true, but not the point.

It's a fair point that you don't need to step foot into Limbus to acquire any of the items necessary to upgrade AF to 119. However, it's no different from when SE required players to have the VW progress in order to redeem pulse items (I believe the vast majority of players felt that this was a fair requirement).

Basically, SE wants players to obtain the items in a way that doesn't bypass CoP. I believe that it's fair for them to expect this of us.

[Demonjustin]

There has to be requirements for something new added to the game. To progress in Abyssea, you had to have zone boss wins then caturae wins, to progress in VW, you had to kill NMs on your current tier once to get to next tier etc etc. Also, it may sound unrelated to some people (especially newer players) but AF upgrading was always related to CoP.

Cats were directly linked to the Abyssea story, the VWNMs were directly linked to the Voidwatch story, Reforged gear from what I have seen has no connection to Sea or Limbus at all. You can say Limbus always had a part in upgrading AF gear, and while that may be true we can skip that, the lines need never be drawn, there is no point to it other than a way to block players from doing the upgrades without it.

They could have made it so that you can upgrade your AF with 10 papers without doing any CoP but then they would definitely set a different requirement and don't forget that there is also the option to upgrade them with 5 papers if you already have the hq and you need limbus access to have them so there is still a connection beyond "suck it up and get sea access regardless".

The only connection there is, is the one they forced for no reason. We can do everything except turn it in without Sea access, which is why it is stupid we have to have it in order to turn it in, the NPC is basically looking at the gear and the materials, saying they can do it, and then saying 'Oh, you don't have access to that one area? Well, sucks to be you, I'm not doing anything until you can go there. Why? Psh, because I said so, and my friend over there is tied to that area too so I won't help you till then, ha ha.'

The story justification is that the new NPC is a collegue of the original AF upgrade NPC. It makes sense that the new NPC would only serve you after the original NPC is available to you. The process is technically new and they should be following the timeline. I don't know what else to say if people don't care about stories and chronology.

See, the original NPC makes sense, she will not talk to you till you can present her the items needed to upgrade armor, till you can actually obtain them she ignores you because you can't do what she wants anyways, why bother with you? New NPC on the other hand, not so much. I suppose for some reason only the original NPC has the social skills to actually do business with Adventurers or at least offer it to them, and after she talks to them, the other person can finally open their mouth to get out some words that resemble something besides 'screw off' as a reply to us?

I don't know, you're all jumping on someone complaining about something thats stupid in the game, and looking stupid as a result. CoP should be done by everyone, yes, Dynamis makes sense, yes, Ark Angels make sense, yes, this Reforged stuff, doesn't make sense, not to me at least.

[Demonjustin]

It's a fair point that you don't need to step foot into Limbus to acquire any of the items necessary to upgrade AF to 119. However, it's no different from when SE required players to have the VW progress in order to redeem pulse items (I believe the vast majority of players felt that this was a fair requirement).

I believe this comparison is unfair, Pulse Cells come from VW, thus, to use them you had to have VW progress. Now, if there were Pulse Cells for Sagasinger or the Meeble/Legion weapons, items that are completely unrelated to VW in any way, yet at the same time you required VW access all the same to use the Cells, I would think the comparison more fair. As it stands, VW and RF are not the same on the basis that Cells are from VW only, whereas everything required for RF/+1 can be obtained outside of Sea with or without buying anything from the AH at all.

[detlef]

I believe this comparison is unfair, Pulse Cells come from VW, thus, to use them you had to have VW progress. Now, if there were Pulse Cells for Sagasinger or the Meeble/Legion weapons, items that are completely unrelated to VW in any way, yet at the same time you required VW access all the same to use the Cells, I would think the comparison more fair. As it stands, VW and RF are not the same on the basis that Cells are from VW only, whereas everything required for RF/+1 can be obtained outside of Sea with or without buying anything from the AH at all.

Either way, you can obtain all the items you need any way you want, but you still need some sort of progress in something to turn them in. Are we going to also argue that it's unfair because the ilvl 119 pieces require synthesis materials from AA fights that require Zilart missions to access?

[Demonjustin]

In all honesty, I would argue that yes, a Sky requirement would make more sense than a Sea requirement for the second upgrade if any requirement need be set.

[Crevox]

I want to fight monsters in a party and be rewarded for a fun, challenging fight. That's how leveling is, that's how end game is, that's how you get loot, and while that's how the story used to be, it's not now.

I am not being "rewarded" for completing the story; it's just a chore. I am not accomplishing any major feat for completing it. It's just painful, and everyone has to do it. There's nothing fun about auto running for hours on end. The only satisfaction you get is the cutscenes in between, which are short before telling you to go somewhere else.

I can't believe you're complaining about having to do Zilart missions to access Ark Angel fights. I can't believe you're complaining that you need to progress in CoP to access Limbus areas and rewards. I can't believe you're complaining about needing Rank 6 in your home nation to do Dynamis. Did you complain about having to do coalitions assignments and Adoulin missions in order to access Wildskeeper Reives too?

How low of a bar do you want?

Why is this an issue? Why do I have to complete such long, monotonous tasks to unlock these things? Why is this a requirement? It's not even like I'm doing CoP for the item, I'm doing it to unlock the ability to EARN the item. I have to do CoP just to be able to give the items I already worked hard to obtain.

[detlef]

I guess what I can't wrap my head around is complaining about having to do content in order to access area, battlefields, NMs, and equipment. Progressing through the game to unlock new things is so basic that I can't see how you want to skip it. I mean, isn't the very essence of an RPG?