Reforged AF - Blocked on Step 1?

[FaeQueenCory]

They should've FORCED people to have the +1 gear already.

Forcing people to sink millions of manhours to get a random drop is a waste of life....
And a tell-tale sign of being an archagent of the Devil.

Letting people do a bit "more" grinding to bypass the potential at years of more grinding...
Was genius. (But not really because it's no different between the implementation of the +2 for Relic gear.)
This lets more people get better/relevant gear.
Which allows for more people to do harder/relevant content.

This is a MMO.
Playing with other people.... is kinda the point.
And allowing for more people to play at the same tier together... is always good.
(remember when skirmish gear was added? 113!? that's "better" than the delve gear! ... only it isn't. It's the same tier of gear as a r15 piece... and depending on the piece, one will be better for your job than another. But what was really so beautiful about the skirmish gear was that it gave more people access to "delve" level gear... which allowed for more people to do Delve... The AA redux is the same. "don't like delve? Like 'oldschool' BCNMs? Well... now you can get 119 weapons and gear without Delve too!")
The more people capable of having competent gear... the better the game will be.

[Ravenmore]

Forcing people to sink millions of manhours to get a random drop is a waste of life....
And a tell-tale sign of being an archagent of the Devil.

Letting people do a bit "more" grinding to bypass the potential at years of more grinding...
Was genius. (But not really because it's no different between the implementation of the +2 for Relic gear.)
This lets more people get better/relevant gear.
Which allows for more people to do harder/relevant content.

This is a MMO.
Playing with other people.... is kinda the point.
And allowing for more people to play at the same tier together... is always good.
(remember when skirmish gear was added? 113!? that's "better" than the delve gear! ... only it isn't. It's the same tier of gear as a r15 piece... and depending on the piece, one will be better for your job than another. But what was really so beautiful about the skirmish gear was that it gave more people access to "delve" level gear... which allowed for more people to do Delve... The AA redux is the same. "don't like delve? Like 'oldschool' BCNMs? Well... now you can get 119 weapons and gear without Delve too!")
The more people capable of having competent gear... the better the game will be.

To start with they are giving half of the set away though login points and the other half is extremely easy to get from a couple of runs. Really the AF items are so piss easy to get when you don't have to worry about the win and can skip time chest going for item chest while able to do it every day. People were begging SE for time sinks and things to do solo, so I'm kinda shoick SE didn't force you to have +1 already as well but that wouldn't be in line with how they handled relic +2. With the random drop thing people here on these forums seem to be really happy with it with how much they bring up the good old days of 1 to 5% drop rates of the 75 cap era.

[FaeQueenCory]

It's never taken more than 2 runs to obtain any item from limbus. no argument would ever change the fact that you're extremely lucky it wasn't forced.

Except that that's a horribly selfish sentiment.
"It only took me one run to get the items I needed, so everyone else better do it in one run or F them."
Some people go 1/1, others go 0/600.
Random drops are bad.
Especially when there's no control over the random drop. (ex of good random: base mythic weapons, any job random, but F100 will drop lead's job weapon every time.)

To start with they are giving half of the set away though login points and the other half is extremely easy to get from a couple of runs. Really the AF items are so piss easy to get when you don't have to worry about the win and can skip time chest going for item chest while able to do it every day. People were begging SE for time sinks and things to do solo, so I'm kinda shoick SE didn't force you to have +1 already as well but that wouldn't be in line with how they handled relic +2. With the random drop thing people here on these forums seem to be really happy with it with how much they bring up the good old days of 1 to 5% drop rates of the 75 cap era.

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People sure do like beating that strawman.
It's a fine paste now.
If not a mist.


Since it seems that neither of you understood my point... which the Devs seem to... because that's why it was done.
And I'm gonna bold it just to make it all noticeable.
Giving more people the capability to get the same tier items in multiple ways allows for more people to play together, and seeing as how this is an MMO, that's kinda the main point to the game being played.

It's not about a time sink. (even though some people delude themselves into thinking that's what people want... though I'm sure ONE person out there surely does...)
It's not about being elitist. (even though that's kinda the stance you make when you drop statements like "I did it in 2m in X way, you should play this MMO EXACTLY like I do"...)
It's about equality and giving more people the ability to be equivalent to each other.


(and Login campaigns are a horrible example of "equal opportunity".... They aren't permanent. They won't be here forever. They don't always offer the same items. Am I right, Zeid?
What about the new player tomorrow? or the one 3mo from now? Or any of the many bajillions of legitimate reasons people might not be able to do the login campaigns?
Basically: stop being selfish. Check yo privilege, not everyone has your resources.)

[Mefuki]

This is a MMO.
Playing with other people.... is kinda the point.

This is kind of off-topic but I've been seeing this kind of comment more and more and I just wanted to say: Not everyone that starts playing FFXI does it because it's multiplayer. Personally, I started playing because I liked the battle system, the wealth of gear and character customization options and the fact that it was a huge game with a fleshed out world that would be updated regularly. Sure, me and my friends started playing together at the same time but it never was the main reason why I started playing or why I continue to play.

And now, the fact that SE's mindset is currently low man party-centric and are so concerned about accessibility of content means I get to play more or stop and start playing all day, all at my convenience. AND I get to do it when I log in; not 2+ hours from then because everything requires an alliance or static to do.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not AGAINST playing and partying with people, I just think it's really nice that I'm able to have the option to play by myself and if someone wants to join me, they can too. Think Diablo III or Borderlands 2, as much as dislike the utter worthlessness of gear, the gear treadmill as a whole and lack of options in those games, I really like that you can play single player but it's also mulitplayer when your friends or whoever wants to join in.

[Ravenmore]

You really have to have beaten CoP to reforge the AF gear?

Why is such a random requirement in place? "Go do this really old content, all of it, in order to prepare yourself for current content, even if you already have the items"

It's just so bogus for players like myself. I was so happy I managed to get the pages and stuff together for the reforged AF in preparation for when I hit 99, and again it looks like I'm nowhere close because I have to go back to do tons of old missions in order to be able to get current content gear.

It just never ends. SE makes it so stupidly difficult to start this game as a new player. There's SO many things you have to go back and do, even at a high level, just to be able to play the game.

I'm just sitting here, just thinking about all of what I'm gonna have to go through. It just makes me not even want to play... I've already done SO MUCH, and every time I think I'm ready to actually level to 99 and enjoy myself, there's something more, some other chore I have to go complete first.

Just... sigh...

It's story line missions and one of the best in the game. At 99 you can solo all but one mission maybe two and only cause you have to have two people to open a door. Really at 99 the fights are a joke. A least now you don't have to spam though CSs cause people are waiting and you can take your time and enjoy them. Se does story better then battle so its at least enjoyable and there is step by step on wiki that you should be able to finish it in a week once you are 99. One of the great things about story is it isn't outdated by the next new story it is just as enjoyable to you now as it was to me, maybe even more enjoyable to you since you won't have to deal with fail shouts statics falling apart half way though and can do it at your own pace any time you want to do it. Heck you don't even have to beat the whole story line once you can set foot into sea you can get limbus access meaning you can have your af reforged then. As Karah said you do not have to step foot into limbus to have your af reforge having af+1 only saves pages.

[Crevox]

It's story line missions and one of the best in the game. At 99 you can solo all but one mission maybe two and only cause you have to have two people to open a door. Really at 99 the fights are a joke. A least now you don't have to spam though CSs cause people are waiting and you can take your time and enjoy them. Se does story better then battle so its at least enjoyable and there is step by step on wiki that you should be able to finish it in a week once you are 99. One of the great things about story is it isn't outdated by the next new story it is just as enjoyable to you now as it was to me, maybe even more enjoyable to you since you won't have to deal with fail shouts statics falling apart half way though and can do it at your own pace any time you want to do it. Heck you don't even have to beat the whole story line once you can set foot into sea you can get limbus access meaning you can have your af reforged then. As Karah said you do not have to step foot into limbus to have your af reforge having af+1 only saves pages.

It's not about the difficulty, it's about the pain of running around and doing all the boring in between.

I want to get the story, yes, but I could youtube it easier or read through the scripts on the wiki. It's a massive time sink.

[Ravenmore]

It's not about the difficulty, it's about the pain of running around and doing all the boring in between.

I want to get the story, yes, but I could youtube it easier or read through the scripts on the wiki. It's a massive time sink.

Sorry I don't feel your pain. Took me a forever to find a group that would stick together long enough to finish it(which was the hardest part of it all) so suck it up it's not hard and by far is not that bad of a time sink with how freaking easy it is to move around now. The teleport between home points was just added so the rest of us had to do all that running with out VW warps, Home point teleports, lower movement speed. Really you think a week is a massive time wow.

[Zeargi]

It's not about the difficulty, it's about the pain of running around and doing all the boring in between.

I want to get the story, yes, but I could youtube it easier or read through the scripts on the wiki. It's a massive time sink.

>_>; I kind of feel that MMO's ARE a massive time sink. If you aren't willing to put forth the time to do things, I don't think you should be rewarded for that. There's A LOT of things that come from actually completing the story.

[Afania]

You really have to have beaten CoP to reforge the AF gear?

Why is such a random requirement in place? "Go do this really old content, all of it, in order to prepare yourself for current content, even if you already have the items"

It's just so bogus for players like myself. I was so happy I managed to get the pages and stuff together for the reforged AF in preparation for when I hit 99, and again it looks like I'm nowhere close because I have to go back to do tons of old missions in order to be able to get current content gear.

It just never ends. SE makes it so stupidly difficult to start this game as a new player. There's SO many things you have to go back and do, even at a high level, just to be able to play the game.

I'm just sitting here, just thinking about all of what I'm gonna have to go through. It just makes me not even want to play... I've already done SO MUCH, and every time I think I'm ready to actually level to 99 and enjoy myself, there's something more, some other chore I have to go complete first.

Just... sigh...

Randomly popped here then I see this Crevox guy complaining about "WHY THIS GAME TAKES FOREVER TO DO ANYTHING" again.

Maybe I'll ans the question this way: This is FFXI, a game that's different from a lot of instant gratification MMO on the market, and it's a game that's NOT for everyone.

Plenty of long time FFXI player, enjoyed FFXI because of the way it is: It's not instant gratification MMO, it doesn't hand you item and 1000 accomplishment after 2 weeks of playing, and it's not meant to be played for 3 months then quit for next MMO like other titles. It's meant to be a "2nd life" or "2nd home" where we log on and play the FFXI, just for the sake of play FFXI and live a life in it, instead of playing FFXI to beat it or to obtain best gears in very short time so we can quit and play next title.

It does have much slower pace than avg MMO that majority of current-gen players can't tolerate, that doesn't mean it's "bad". Majority of current-gen players probably can't tolerate EQ/SWG/UO and such, but it's not "bad", just different.

If you feel doing CoP BC or older content is a waste of time because you can watch youtube, then save yourself a sub fee, there's no point to even play this game if that's how you view it. It seems like you're playing this game like WoW, lv to cap, get best gear, beat shit, all happen in 3 months of playing. But that's not how FFXI works, and don't try to change to it WoW, SE already made FFXIV to satisfy FF fans wanting WoW clone MMO.

If you can only enjoy the game by having lv 99 job and best gears in every slot, quit now. You'll NEVER have best gears in every slot and so you'll never enjoy the game. I've been playing this game for 4+ years, daily. I've never have best gears in every slot once in my life, and I probably know 1~2 players per server that can have best gears in every slot for ONE job. You really need to change your mentality of playing this game, or else you simply won't enjoy it no matter what.

Edit: Watching CoP on youtube and skip it entirely, seriously?? Blasphemy! CoP used to be synonym of FFXI, now it's just a "watch youtube and skip it" missions.

[SilentSteel]

The reason that sea and thus limbus is required, is because the Reforge person is tied to the AF upgrade person. The AF upgrades are only possible after you have sea and limbus access, cause like Karah said you need Limbus to be able to have upgraded your AF to +1 in the first place. Yes you don't need to +1 your AF to reforge it, but likely with the way it's coded, in order to reforge both normal or +1 the NPCs needed to be tied together.